Arjay,

Good post however one point:

>>The ideal of Multiculturalism has failed in in France and we are seeing it fail here.We are not proposing excluding other cultures from coming here,we just want to stipulate the terms and have a say in the quality of immigrant that come here.<<

France is not a good comparison to our multiculturalism situation. They, like the UK are paying a dear price for their past colonial heydays. The problem there is mainly from French-speaking north Africans with French passport arriving at there door steps and settling in ghettos.

Unlike Australia, France has a very strict immigration policy and an even tougher social security system for non-French residents. They also passionately hate foreigners.

How can France be said to have a "strict immigration policy", when there are over 5 million muslims most from northern Africa in that country?!?!

Arjay appears to have slipped off his perch, Can someone help?

I think that the very base cause of the problems is that we use immigration to make ourselves look/feel good. You see all around western worlds some sort of competition who has the most diversity, or has the most refugees, or has the least racism. treating real people some sort of trophy cabinet.

We need to only allow immigration to those it would benefit. If we see that in the longer term they would probably not fit in easily or have to depend on welfare I think we need to accept that we are not doing anyone any favours in creating a subclass. Sometimes it is kinder to say no! I have immigrated a few times to similair cultures and found it very hard. I can't imagine how hard it is for someone in a totally alien culture.

Rainer, as I've said on many occasions,just refute my assertions in point form.Just put up or shut up.You,admitting to your civil libertarian activism,just really defines your agenda.It is all about taking from the very society that you profess to detest so much.

You and your latte sipping chardonnay set will suck off the tax payer in the form of a cushy Govt job and denegrate the very system that affords you such abundance.

You pretend to be the champion of the poor by telling them how to rort the social security system and appeal to their weakness of being victims,rather than their courage to achieve.

No I haven't become unhinged,just a little pissed off when I analyise the real agenda of the so called Multicultural Lobby.It is all about minority groups having power over the majority.This is not democracy!

Anyone who disagrees with any tenants of Multiculturalism is basically a racist.The Nazis had a similiar philosophy,only they called them traitors and deftly shot them.

A French employers’ steady demand to bring in uneducated knowing nothing of trade unions and elementary human/job rights Algerians from the African hills was a very ground of a France’s "strict immigration policy", Sebby.