Not quite right Hijacked

Church schools were in existance in NSW long before The Public School System was formed and funded. Oh and they received funds from the NSW Government at the time. So much of what you've said is merely Teacher Union propaganda...misinformation.

Sad really.

Unbelievable the right wing of society is using the typical sociologist stance to explain the Cronulla riots.

Has anyone heard of individual responsibility. Those gutless thugs that beat up female passerbys of Lebanese descent did it because they lived in public housing? What an insult to all of us that have grown up in public housing estates.

When we keep on fashioning excuses for pathetic actions on the existence of welfare policies or the like we rationalise anti social behaviour. What about middle class welfare like negative gearing that is costing $7 billion a year in subsidising the creation of suburban landlord empires.

Not everyone living in public housing or receiving welfare is sub human and beats up on people. We can tell right from wrong.

This is the typical North Shore view of the world lets cut off welfare and the riots won't occur again.

It is nonsense. Let the courts punish and rehabilitate the offenders, ultimately those individuals have to take responsibility for their actions.

Lets face facts the most cost effective way of providing cheap housing is by the public provision of housing units. Unfortunately the town planners have to fight the middle class nimbys who object to the integration of public housing in housing estates. These nimbys object to the ghetto like public housing estates but fight tooth and nail if a public housing unit would be built in their street. Maybe if we were to end the public subsidation of the middle class and divert the funds to creating low cost housing integrated within normal planning processes we weould create a better society.

But will the North shore silvertails give up their welfare, not likely.

slasher, this may be off topic but I'm kind of interested in what you mean by "public subsidation of the middle class".

Who is subsidising the middle class? It is my impression that the middle class is subsiding just about everybody else. Mostly caught at that point where they don't earn enough to have effective tax dodges and paying a lot more in tax than they get in government support, discounts etc. Am I missing out on some subsidisation that everybody else is getting?

Right now I pay out way too much of my income in taxes for what I consider to be a fair share of the cost of running this country. I'm doing the subsidisation, not being subsidised. On top of significant income tax I have to pay for my own housing (and upkeep), I have an ex with an adversion to work who I have to subsidise, I get taxed extra if I don't have private health cover (which I never use), I don't get concession prices on anything. Not a sob story, rather the reality for many of the so called middle class.

So I'll be really interested to know in what manner the middle class is being subsidised and by whom.

R0bert

i watch many american cop shows and the attitude is totally different......they aren't affraid to draw their guns and use them if their threatened by penisheads or use brutal force when faced by uncoperative retards.

the message soon gets out to the criminals and if any of them decide to retaliate against police or shoot up police stations the response from the cops would be bloody and brutal.......and the cops wwill always win because they have the law on their side.

Rainier and Col.Rouge use the same idioms in messages. Sounding the same, speaking the same, acting synonymously - is one not the same person?
Something of English, something of welfare and nothing of a core issue which is racism as a skeleton of an Australia’s statehood

Robert and Slasher,

I think you're both right in many respects.

"As recent study has shown that the old civic culture on which Australia was based (wage awards, arbitration, a strong public service) has been torn up by the "reformers" and that the economic results aren't accepted by middle Australia as making up for the highly insecure, distrustful, market-dominated world into which they have been plunged. Thus 80 per cent of his survey subjects are insecure about their future, 70 per cent believe wage-earners are the losers in economic reform and 86 per cent feel the income gap between rich and poor is too great".

So its not so much middle class being subsidised but that the economic saftety net is fast disappearing around middle class earners - making the drop to being poor much more permanent.

Imagine if riots were between white Anglos. What would be cause? Class? Status? That is wasn't does not discount these social indicators. My personal observation is that white Australians resent non-white Australians who are economically well of f or have the same economic base as they do. A sense of entitlement is obviously at
play.

See: http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/Uniken_May_p16.pdf