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Paradigm of (t)error : Comments

By Amjid Muhammad, published 22/11/2005

Amjid Muhammad asks whether Australia's terrorist suspects will get a fair trial.

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Lets be clear about this. Religions of all persuasions have gone out to murder people who were not of their faith. Enslaved those who were concurred.
We now have a legal system that is in an utter mess, where even Australians are detained in concentration camp styled Commonwealth Detention Centres with a denial of access to a lawyer, and unconstitutionally/illegally deported.

I for one have no problem to have deported as quick and possible those who abuse or misuse the refugee system, but we must ensure that in the process we do not rob people of their rights.
Detaining and deporting Australians without DUE PROCESS OF LAW isn’t going to advance us a bit in our desire to protect ourselves, rather make it worse.

We no longer have the notion of INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY or the right of silence and indeed we now have that the ACCUSED IS guilty as charged UNLESS HE CAN PROVE TO BE INNOCENT.

Today, many may consider this acceptable because it suits them to get rid of those they feel have no right to be in Australia, but they ought to remember that once the undesirable are gone, the laws and the police state will remain. We then in turn might become undesirable to others, and we may just receiving the same treatment we accepted to be bestowed upon others.

I am sick and tired of this Muslim/Arab bashing because it clouds the real issues.

Previously it was the communist bashing and what happened to them? Then the Parliament was stopped in its draconic legislation, but now we find we lack the credibility in the Courts to do the same.

I have no problem with our police force to enforce the law, but I do have a problem where the “TERRORISM” ploy is used to rob every ordinary Australian bit by bit of their legal rights, that the police merely have to pretend some terrorist intelligence as a way to bash down once front door and bail up even small children with loaded guns.

What we have is a POLICE STATE.
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Thursday, 24 November 2005 7:54:18 PM
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What a mess ,we have George Dubwua who has the problem ten times worse,Muslims in denial who refuse to intergate with other cultures.Amjid who casting doubts about fair trials in a western country where the lawyers can get you off on the slightest of techicalities.Imagine a Christian being accused of terrorism in Saudi Arabia.Would they bother with a trial before stoning you to death?

When are Muslims in this country going to become apart of the general community displaying their joy to be here,instead of side stepping issues and continually claiming victim status?

If more Muslims were positively vocal,displaying not only their love of the Australian culture but also their desire to be a part of it,they would not feel so alienated.

All we hear is excuses and reasons for Muslim's inability to face a hateful cancer that has grown from sections of their religion.

The more Muslims side step the issue,the more suspicious it makes the rest of society.This is just another article that alludes to victim status.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 24 November 2005 8:53:15 PM
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>>What we have is a POLICE STATE<<

Gerrit, which part of this do you have a problem with? After all, we trust Mr Howard to have our best interests at heart, don't we?

Don't be such a softy-lefty-multi-culti-wishy-washy liberal. Mr Howard is only doing his job, making laws that protect us all from those who wish to undermine the Australian way of life by killing us all. Why would you object to that?

I know, I know, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 25 November 2005 8:44:33 AM
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using the tactics that didn't work when directed against minorities in the past seems to me to be a pointless regression.

making every muslim in australia fearful of authorities will not assist the authorities in their work. our government needs to build trust with, and to be seen to be trustworthy to, the communities who can assist them. hell, that ought to be true of government with regard to the population in general.

i'm *not* saying that a quick chat over a cuppa will dissuade some one who is disaffected; but chatting with their neighbours - or people who have chatted with a person who might - *does* help.

we cannot expect intelligence agencies to accurately assess risks if they do not have reliable intelligence to assess. a great deal of intelligence comes from the very community wherein the "persons of interest" reside.

many criminals are apprehended because police were told things that helped them to narrow down who, among the many potential suspects, they ought to focus their efforts upon.

if people are fearful, they begin to act differently. we ought not be exacerbating an already difficult task. the "be alert, not alarmed" campaign was a good idea badly executed. more power is not the solution *of itself*.

it may occur to you that perhaps i am speaking from more than a merely 'academic' understanding of the issues here. i am concerned not only about the _means_ proposed, but also the _implications_ that people are drawing from the way this whole issue is being managed.
Posted by maelorin, Friday, 25 November 2005 7:39:36 PM
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The problem we are facing is that the very people needed to provide the “intelligence”, meaning ordinary citizens, are now deterred by the legislation put in place, as if they were to say anything, then they can be imprisoned as a “person of interest” who might know something.

The more laws we have the worse it gets. Not for the would be terrorist, but for the intended victims, as they are suffering under all kinds of legislative provisions, and the “terrorist” has achieved its goal without needing to do anything, because of an over zealous government that dictates the parliament.

The likelihood of being killed by a bus then by a terrorist attack is considerable higher, and if we were to implement all kids of security laws against buses, planes, other motor vehicles, and why not also push bikes and go-carts, and even horses and cows, etc, then how do we live?

Most people know that magpies during breeding season can be quite dangerous to deal with, as they aim for your head, etc.
So, my wife found the perfect solution. Let them eat out of your hand and they respect you. So, morning, day and evening they knock on the security door announcing they are there to have some cheese, oats, etc, during breeding times, they do the same. We have no worries about them, as they follow us around the garden.

Perhaps, that is the clue. Do not fear terrorist but try to overcome your fear and then see how you can have them, so to say, eat out of your hand and they will not attack you.

For example, try to understand what drives them to commit acts of terrorism. Then see what we as a nation can do as to try to combat any injustice that might be a cause of terrorism.

Would be terrorist are not bound by race/religion/nationality, colour of skin etc. therefore do not crucify a particular race/religion
Posted by Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka, Friday, 25 November 2005 9:11:22 PM
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Mr. Schorel-Hlavka,

Rarely do I have to use words like this, but you are an idiot.

It may be news to you but there are rules enacted to regulate where buses can go or not go. They are called "traffic laws".

Feed the terorists and/or birds, understand them and they will be nice to you, hum? Gee, that really worked well for Chamberlain back in 1938, didn't it!

I am sure it will also work for you when they are killing your children and raping your wife.

"Sir, would you please care to share with me the reasons for your hostility as you rip my wife's dress off? Please tell me about the horrible injustices done to you as you cut my child's throat..."

Pathetic!

Kactuz
Posted by kactuz, Saturday, 26 November 2005 12:24:57 PM
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