Kick religion to the curb and become one all.

I dont care, soccer, whatever but stop arguing which side of the fence is greener.

Tolerance comes when we dont brand people.

Go and worship god, whichever one you are backing and for those that know so much about history and religion, perhaps that it was a moral standard for the masses of each culture to adhere to in a time of fragmented/non existant legal system.

You are smart enough not to be drones all of you, i believe in god but not until we have evolved near the truth will i be prepared to back a particular one.

Keep religion in its place for the needy and those needing guidance, but dont argue over trivial religious theroies in the 21st century based on long ago and build resentment towards eachother.

I said on Friday i will never post again after another article which i was dumbfounded on the stereotypical views of some.

This will be my last though, scouts honour, and if you all would realise that if nobody took sides, there would be no sides. The brainwashed amoungst you would be gasping right now, but we would save bloodshed every single day, and be a more productive population.

Spend your worship time studying and developing your future, not preparing for an unceratain after life. I know there is metaphysical too, I have experienced plenty but lets wait for the 50% of our brain to evolve and grasp it over the next score of generations.

Jose

The issue of Jesus and Paul.

I do not have a great knowledge of what Paul is alleged to have wrote. Note the word 'alleged', Paul may not have wrote those epistles.

Paul creates a problem similar to the problem the atheist creates. That is, a choice is required between being a descendant of the God of Heaven and Earth or being a descendant of the Great Ape Gog.

The choice Paul creates is between, Jesus without Paul or Jesus with Paul. This choice has already been made for Christendom, thus the need to overcome.

There are many ways of approaching this, but I'll keep it simple because of limited space. I believe that the writings of any one of the Bible writers, except for Paul, may be removed without changing the perceived plan of salvation. If the writings attributed to Paul are removed all hell breaks loose.

Essentially there is no longer a new covenant and male circumcision is still required.

Paul is the only one who defines the new covenant, and he defines it by copying from Jeremiah 33,34. Jeremiah's new covenant is the Seal of God, the being made perfect before entering the kingdom of God.

None of the people taught by Paul were blessed with the new covenant, all were ignorant of the law until Paul taught them his version. He called himself Father and his pupils/follows his children. A contradiction of Christ.

Mohammed shoot himself in the foot, by acknowledging the authenticity of the Israelite Law and the Law of Christ. Paul said the first failed, Mohammed said the second failed, Jesus said, the two are one and are perfect, the Law cannot fail and may not be changed.

Ode to the Great Ape Gog (revised).

Our Gog who art in the Jungle

Hollow is thy name

Thy Jungle come

Let it be in the city as it is in the Jungle

Give us our daily peanuts

Gogy Gogy Gogy

Gogy Gogy Gogy

Here I sit with me glass of chardnee and me copy of "Bleeding-Heart Socialism for Bogans and Boofheads" and I read a fairly good article that makes perfect sense even to someone like me who is so fick that the last time I was a we bit tiddlee (blotto) and Constable Care kicked me in da' behindI finked to me self "gee dat hurt"and den i stops by a shop window an takes a gander at what damage Care had dood to me bum. Now fellas - I was tiddlee! - anyway i looks an sees that it had a crack right up the middle - so i tried to put it in the nearest wheelie bin. That is when Constable Care heaved a sigh that echoed to the clouds.

Now, when I just read all the nonsense against the above mentioned article and, especially, the singling out of ethnic rape (that is a such a racist thing to do,) I couldn't help think a few things.

First, the old Catholic saying: Modesty is the best chastity belt.

Then I recall the Baptist preacher telling his adoring audience that rape in marriage was a Christian males right.

Then i remembered the time Constable Care broke me bum and the sigh and grin he gave at my foolishness.

Then I thought "What about all the rapists in general. Or, more precisely (just to stereotype like Boaz little army always do), what about the redneck rapists - most of them redneck fellows are supposedly misogynists. The girls are supposedly door mats and punching bags.

Then I thought I use "then" too much.

Then i thought about the zillion pornsites and flourishing porn industry in the world - owned and run by western "christian" capitalists (re: hypocrites). I thought the zealous Muslim haters seldom rant about their own cultures' copious failures. And then I heaved a sigh that echoed to the heavens. God batted an eyelid an bellowed: "Kindness can solder a great many cracks."
Be kind to Muslims - example.

I think what people have to understand is that if you believe in a religion which is also political and proselytising, don't be amazed if you or your religion are attacked. Now if we look at the Buddhists, nobody really worries about them, as they don't really worry about anybody else. Both Islam and the Catholics go far further then that, both are highly political so both are heavily
attacked. Lets face it, anything political is open slather for most people. When the Fundies get out of hand and try to get involved in politics, they are attacked too.

We cannot expect people to respect what we believe, simply our right to believe it and be tolerant enough to let us lead our lives.
If we were denied the right to freely and openly discuss political religions, that would be leading to religious tyranny rather then secular democracy.

Sadly for Islam, alot of those petrodollars sent to Saudi Arabia, have been spent by them to promote their militant form of Islam around the world. The results are there for all to see and sadly more moderate Muslims are paying a price for that too.

Scout, I don't see this issue in the black and white terms suggested by "going over to the dark side".

There seems to be a whole bunch of different approaches to this.
- There are some who are racist
- There are others who are scared by what they see. Their world is being threatened by a culture and religion they don't understand and which often seems to have little regard for the values and lifestyle choices they care about.
- There are some who are opposed to any religion that is not their own. Some years ago the pet hate was probably New Age and Catholic before that.
- There are some of us trying to make sense of this whole mess. What can I learn about the good bits of Islam, how do we avoid further alienating those Muslims who do want to be a part of Australia and how can we deal with those who choose to remain in this country but show no respect for the rest of us or our freedoms.
- I'm guessing that there are some who's political orientation drives them to stand up for minorities and against the status quo regardless of right or wrong. They will be the ones who get concerned about issues faced by muslims but who won't speak out against the thugs who bashed the reported recently.
- There are some Muslims who are trying to find common ground with the non-muslim community and find ways of living out their faith in a way that honors that faith.
- We know that there are some muslims who hate the rest of us and all the different things we stand for, anybody who does not do things their way. I have not seen any evidence of their involvement in this site yet.

Not an exhaustive list but my quick summary of why I don't see this as a black and white issue.

I don't want either Family First or the local Mullah deciding how I should live.

R0bert

Good stuff, neither do I R0bert.