Um Philo
you said in your last post that independent schools have been free of homosexuals molesting boys. Trouble is there already are homosexuals in private schools. But wait. If there are homosexual males in private schools & they're NOT molesting kids doesn't that mean that only SOME homosexuals molest children? So why don't we ban those few & leave the rest ALONE?

It is an undeniable fact that some homosexuals molest children but the vast majority do not! It is also an undeniable fact that some heterosexuals molest children. Are we to ban all heterosexuals from teaching kids on the same grounds. As we MUST if we are to be consistent. Or are you prepared to argue that only some heterosexuals molest kids ? Abolutely correct. But the same is true of homosexuals.

My second point is this. Your argument seems to be, correct me if I'm wrong, some homosexuals molest boys therefore all homosexuals should be banned from teaching. Let's try that argument in another context. Some women molest girls therefore all women should be banned from teaching [this argument is obviously pure bigotry]. Some Jews & Negroes moles children therefore all Jews & Negroes should be banned from teaching [again just another example of pure bigotry].
But then why is it acceptable to say some homosexuals molest children therefore all homosexuals should be banned from teaching? Isn't this a case of pure bigotry too? Please enlighten me.

Bosk... here is how it works:

Its 1965, the gay lobby becomes politicized and invents a word "Homophobia" they then 'define' this as something "evil" and convince key people that we must 'purge' this evil from among us.

They use 'soothing' and 'comfortable' words, spoken by 'articulate' people.. and gradually the barriers come down.

Its now 2000, and the Homosexual agenda is largely fulfilled in terms of social acceptability, save marraige and some other legal issues.

2001 People with some insight predict, that 'As it was for the homosexual agenda, it will also be for the Paedophile agenda, and we have NAMBLA"

2005 A noticable number of psychologists, (and academics, like Altman) are now poopooing the idea that most homosexuals like 'young stuff', speaking 'soothing words' yet laying the foundation for the the acceptance of such ideas .. 'bit by bit'
"Man boy sexual encounters are one of the safest types of stigmatized gay sex" says Altman (if Aslan reported accurately)

And he is but one of many, and the degree to which these groups appeal to the 'safe, comfortable, reasonable... 'don't pick on us look at such and such cultural icon who was 'into' this' etc etc etc.....is appalling.

2010 Man boy sex is quite acceptable, as is its female equivalent.

Bosky, I don't know what age you are, but observant people have been watching this 'blow by blow' destruction of our morality for quite a number of years, and could probably give chapter and verse for most of what went on.

and "make-it-up-as-u-go" morality takes another great stride into social oblivion.

We are neither stupid, ignorant or hiding behind the bushes when brains were given out. Nor will we ever be intimidated by such pathetic terms as 'homophobe' or 'racist' or 'intolerant' (add hysterical also, for Garra's sake :)

2015 Liberal social thinkers campaign for cross species marraige and legal status for 'animal companions'

2020... we die out.

Dear BD
Thanks for the update. A few corrections. 1. Homophobia is NOT a term invented by any lobby it is a recognised psychiatric disorder. The morbid fear that one is a homosexual. This fear is so great that people are ready to kill to prevent anyone from believeing it. 2. The gay community is made up of numerous people whose political views range from communist to nazi & every shade in between. That they would all share one hidden agenda would be news to them. 3. I learned long ago the more people who know a secret the sooner it is leaked. The idea that millions of homosexuals could all keep this cover-up not for hours or days but decades is more than a little unbelievable. Finally the idea that gays have equal rights under the law would be welcome news to most gay men who a) have children taken off them because their homosexuals, b) who have no automatic inheritance rights, c) who cannot automatically visit their partner in a hospital ward. I could go on & on.
As far as the claim that homosexual = child molester name one peer reviewed medical or psychiatric journal that supports you & I'll gladly rethink. Otherwise please answer me this. What would you accept as evidence that your views are false?

Bosk,

The case of homosexual student who killed himself because he was persecuted is obviously not the sort of behaviour we endorse. However, I can cite several cases of boys who have killed themselves because they were molested by homosexual teachers or boyscout leaders, and another gay teenager who killed himself after an ‘affair’ with a university lecturer.

Garra,

I see your hurling abuse at those you disagree with again. Try not to kicked off again. And try to tell the truth as well…

Christian communities have never practiced female circumcision. Name one. Christian communities, along with many others, have practiced arranged marriages, but have never endorsed honor killings.

When Altman speaks on public education and seeks to influence school curricula his views on pederasty have everything to do with it. Would you let a pedophile work in a childcare centre?

You said: “only public schools should receive any form of support from government revenue.”

The church-run school my son attends is a public school (it is open to members of the public) so I’m glad to hear you think they should receive govt funding.

Remember that govt gets its money from tax-payers – and more and more tax-payers are sending their kids to independent/church public schools. Any govt that stop funding independent public schools will quickly find themselves out of govt.

BTW, I work with a hard left atheist anti-Christian who disagrees with me on just about everything. Yet, he sends his kid to a church school! His son used to attend a public school but wasn’t learning anything and was always in trouble. Since he began attending the church school he has improved by an order of magnitude - both behaviourally and academically.

Xena,

No I’m not negative about homosexuals. They, like everyone, are valuable human beings. What I object to is _homosexuality_, and it pains me to see valuable human beings caught up in self-destructive lifestyle that can only in pain, suffering, misery and an early death. It has happened to two friends already.

Bosk,

I object to homosexuals teaching in schools not because they may be pediphiles but because I question the personal hygiene and psychological stability of men who gain sexual pleasure from licking another's anus, from urinating and defacating on each other, from inserting their arms/brooms/lightbulbs/vegetables etc into their partner's rectums and intestines and from engaging in "felchures" which is too sickening to explain.

I don't know whether "homophobia" is a "recognised psychiatric disorder" but the following gay publication explicitly states that "Homophobia itself is not a named disorder".
http://www.sriconnection.net/files/community_homophobia_hazard.php

In any case, "homophobe" is a name that is automatically assigned to anyone who objects to homosexuality. Let me assure you my objection to homosexuality is quite rational, I do not engage in or endorse gay bashing and I do not fear ANY homosexual. I should add that homosexual domestic violence (gays bashing each other) is 3rd biggest cause of death for homosexuals after AIDS and drug overdoses.

I don't think anyone said all homosexuals are pedophiles. The issue is that although homosexuals make up <3% of population, they account for 25-40% of pedophiles. I have dozens of refs to prove this but dont have room to include them now.

You said: "[homosexuals] political views range from communist to nazi & every shade in between."

That doesn't include much. NAZIs like Communists are totalitarian socialists (NAZI party formal name = National Socialist German Workers Party), and was inspired by, and started by, a small group of homosexuals. The party's first meetings were held in a gay bar, the Bratwurstgloeckl, in Munich.

German equivalent of the Boy Scouts, Wandervoegel, was started in late 1800s by group of homosexual teenagers. First adult leader, Karl Fischer, called himself “der Fuehrer”. Hans Blueher, a homosexual Nazi philosopher and important early member of the Wandervoegel, published in 1912 "The German Wandervoegel Movement as an Erotic Phenomenon", explaining how the movement had become one where young boys could be introduced into the homosexual lifestyle. Wandervoegel and other youth organizations later merged into the Hitler Youth, which itself became known as the “Homo Youth” because of rampant homosexuality.

I wasn't going to respond to Aslan's 'flame', but his subsequent outrageous post has prompted me to recommend it for deletion.

Since I'm posting, Aslan's claims about female circumcision being absent in 'Christian' communities is demonstrably false. Off the top of my head I can think of the Maasai and the Turkana as cultures that still practise female circumcision yet claim to be 'Christian', having had missionaries inflicted on them since the 19th century.

The point is that it's a sub-Saharan cultural rather than Muslim religious practice - in much the same way that 'honour killing' and arranged marriages are endemic to Mediterranean cultures and are not derived from religious beliefs per se.

I don't understand why the fundamentalist Christians on this site need to resort to falsehoods and distortions of reality to practise their faith.