Xena,

You said: "No! Choice is about deciding what is better – becoming a parent or not becoming a parent. MY body, MY responsibility; MY choice."

No Xena, it's not just your body! It's your and your partner's child with it own body and unique DNA. It's also your partner's responsibility and his choice.

If you want the choice to become a parent or not, then you can choose to have sex or not to have sex. You know whether you're taking contraception, you know your own menstral cycle, you can choose to use a condom, you can choose to say "NO".

Stop being so b&$%@y selfish and start taking some responsibility for your own actions! That goes for guys who abandon their impregnated partners as well.

Wrong Aslan - the height of selfishness is to force a woman to term against her will.

Xena stated that abortion is a last resort. She may well consult with her partner but ultimately the decision is hers.

Mate, until we can have babies all we can do is offer our support, whether the decision our partners make is the one we would like or not is part and parcel of all relationships. There are many decisions apart from abortion where partners do not agree. However to force our loved one into a situation she is vehemently against - for whatever reason (health, age, whatever) is really one of the most apalling things one can do to a partner you (theoretically) love.

To become a parent is the most important decision of our lives and should never be entered into without serious thought and consideration.

To force someone to be become a parent is reprehesible in the extreme. Shame on you Aslan.

Xena,
Thankyou for your name calling (eg “reactionary”, “alarmist” etc). I have noticed in many forums you have called many posters many names, and I will be recommending your posts for deletion in the future if you continue to do so

“We are, in general, better informed about our sexuality and reproduction than ever before” . Is this true is it?

You knew little about vasectomy, and if you investigate abortion in Australia, you will find significant evidence of ethnic groups that use minimal or no contraception, and routinely use abortion as a type of contraception.

The abortion rate has hardly declined in decades, but the country’s wealth has increased, tax and government spending has considerably increased, and technology has improved. So something is definitely wrong somewhere in the system, and I think it has much to do with all this “women’s choice” smokescreen, and male finger pointing (eg male “spreading of the wild oats” syndrome) that so often occurs from pro-abortion supporters.

To answer some of the details in my proposed system (and a system is definitely necessary to reduce the abortion rate), a judge normally decides the penalties that are applied if someone is found guilty of an offence, but women generally receive minimal penalties in any court.

The system would probably require a registry, where abortions or pregnancy/adoptions are registered. If there are abortions or adoptions carried out and details are not entered in that registry, (ie “backyard abortions”) then severe penalties would apply to the persons involved when caught. The number of abortions or pregnancy/adoptions that someone has would therefore become known, and the system can be policed.

Who is the father is difficult to establish without DNA tests, and difficult to establish until after the birth or abortion.

But males who want to see a vast reduction in the atrocious rate of abortion in a supposedly civilized country, are not necessarily males trying to limit a women’s power etc, etc, etc. Abortion is not necessarily healthy for society.

Again “Still no real suggestions [from you] on how to decrease the abortion rate.”

Timkins - good on you mate! I don't always agree with you. But one thing is for certain - I respect the amount of research that you always put into your postings.

Cheers
Kay

Timkins: Again “Still no real suggestions [from you] on how to decrease the abortion rate.”

PLease read my previous post - I stated:

>>Another point, while lowering the abortion rate is preferable, no women uses abortion as a preferred method of contraception – it is the last resort.<<

I am not as obssessed about abortion as you Timkins, being a woman I know that I would always consider abortion as a last resort and consider it carefully. There appear to be those who believe that women are so stupid that they would use abortion as a primary means of contraception. This is offensive and completely erroneous. I am primarily concerned that women remain in control of their bodies and their fertility.

As for name calling - 'reactionary' responses is something you frequently indulge in, for example you failed to completely read my post before responding to it. This is not name calling it is an analysis of your responses. I'm sure that if you tried to have it deleted you would find that Graham would not consider it flaming. I have not ever been deleted for flaming. I simply disagree with you Timkins, that's all. People here call me names all the time - it is a part of posting upon this forum. I am more interested on the POV expressed. If you can't handle criticism then perhaps you should post elsewhere.

Thank you Ambo for your support - you are correct becoming a parent IS the most important thing we can do. It is far too crucial to our well being and the well being of our children to indiscriminately breed. It is not as if the human race is in danger of becoming extinct. Unless we nuke ourselves of course, but no amount of giving birth will save us from that possible scenario.

For the record, Aslan;

as I am currently involved with another woman - I am not having to worry about using any form of contraception. Of course I would consider using it if I was involved with a man.

Xena,
I have recommended your last post for deletion as you have once again indulged in name calling and flaming (eg this time calling me “obsessed”, which goes along with your previous name calling of “reactionary”, and “alarmist”, with an inference that I “have a guilty conscience”) You may think name calling and flaming of other posters is debate, but it is only name calling and flaming, and you have indulged in it on innumerable occasions.

The abortion rate has hardly changed since the oral contraceptive Pill for women was invented. I wonder why. Is it because there is minimal accountability within the abortion industry, where abortions can be carried out without any doctor’s referral or any counselling, and most abortions are being subsidised by the tax payer, but the tax payer cannot question the system, or even suggest alternatives to the “free for all” that is currently the abortion industry.

The latter is what I have done, offered up a 12 point package system, that if implemented, would most likely significantly reduce our atrocious rate of abortion within a few years.

You have not offered anything except name calling and flaming of other poster, while repeating the mantra of “women’s choice”, and inferring abortions are caused by males “spreading their oats”, and holding onto the erroneous belief that women are not using abortion as a form of contraception.

From an interview with an abortionist :-
“And for instance, in 2000, from about 2000-2003, or 2002, the abortion rate began to rise again because of net overseas migration. In other words, the Federal Government were bringing in large numbers of women, in particular between 20 and 30, to bolster up the workforce, and these women, particularly from northern Asia, have a high uptake of abortion as a preferred method of birth control, as a back up to failed condom use, etc.” http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2004/s1239275.htm

Still waiting for some “real suggestions [from you] on how to decrease the abortion rate.”