Timkins

I have better things to do than respond to your obsession with hyperlinks. I have had first hand experience and other posters have had first hand professional experience.

I have not denied the obfuscation of stats - rather I question where they are from and how they are used.

I will not debate you on YOUR terms.

This is an opinion forum - I have intelligence, experience and maturity and regularly contribute worthy comment.

If you are incapable of debate and so reliant on your hyperlinks to prove a point - then that is something I cannot help you with.

I find it highly pertinent that you and other extremists claim 50% of DV is perpetrated by women, yet in every other facet of society men contribute, overwhelmingly, to the bulk of violence in our world; be it from sports, to road rage, rape and criminal behaviour.

Most importantly, I would also like to point out that men have more to fear from other men than they will ever have to fear from women.

I don't deny that some women are quite capable of violence, I DO question the stats bandied about by male supremists whose agenda is the denial of equal opportunity for ALL people. Men still hold the balance of power in this world and are easily threatened by any change to that fact. The only women to achieve such power (Maggie Thatcher for example) have played by the men's rules and maintained the status quo.

I would happily engage you in effective discussion - but a clash of the hyperlinks is for juveniles with too much time on their hands.

Ringtail
“The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.” http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocPropa.htm

The above seems very much like the “one in four”, which is a phrase or slogan that has been repeated over and over by certain domestic violence organisations, and also by certain Social Scientists involved in domestic violence research.

Your use of shouting, your opinions that others should “get out more” or that they are “juvenile”, or “supremists” etc all constitute forms of abuse, or emotional manipulation, or emotional violence.

You are quite free to recommend the deletion of your own posts:- for your abuse and unsubstantiated and unproven comments towards others who have posted.

Timkin,

Please don't feel that you have to respond to gutter level comments from aggressive personalities that get their kicks lurking forums and oppressing informed debate.

I have found that you supply a good range of references and I am aware of the research and commentary that confirms most of what you write about.

It is easy to supply a large range of research and expert opinion that expose a gender bias perception of DV. I lack time at the moment, and am reluctant to give it when rational debate is hijacked by personal attack.

Keep up the good effort

You guys have to be joking - how on earth you can somehow try and twist the (obviously heartfelt but admirably restrained) words of a domestic violence victim into constituting some kind of equivalent abuse is beyond me.

Timkins wrote:

"all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan"

Yup. Certainly brings to mind the repetitive and excessive bleating of certain 'men's rights' advocates who infest these forums.

Get real, guys. It's men like you, who deny our overwhelming responsibility for the violence in our families, society and planet, that are the problem.

Please feel free to delete your own posts, which amount to little more than repetitive propaganda from the pathetic 'men's rights' lobby.

Dear Garra,

You say: "It's men like you, who deny our overwhelming responsibility for the violence in our families"

So you want to take responsibility for men's violence in the community. Please do so, as I don't. I feel no responsibility whatsoever for other men's violence just as I don't feel obliged to take responsibility for women's violence. Since you appear to be guilt ridden over men's violence, I suggest you enrol in one of the feminist courses around that can help "you" with "your" violence problem. You will then eventually feel good about yourself. I'm already feeling good about myself having put you in your place.

To all posters:

On June 9 2005 I suggested that this article would be as if a "red bag to a bull". I think my prediction was correct.

Children are the biggest suffers of domestic violence. All I hear and see on these postings is/are egocentric postings from adult males and females - each and all trying to verbally bash each other!