Col, what a right wing prat you are turning out to be re your posts on anything outside of your little square. I actually thought you had something intelligent to say on some issues but this one takes the cake. You obviously see the world as a flat little pancake with Sarah Lee layers and the little people should be contained within. Of course, you are the cherry on top because you've never broken the law (in/advertently) or had to defend yourself. You would have done really well in a castle in medieval times with a moat full of nasties to keep the riff raff out and upped the drawbridge.

Arjay – I do not know if the Corby woman is innocent or guilty I am not her judge, I have not read the transcript of her trial and make no presumptions to her innocence or otherwise. As for your conspiracy theory re the Bali 9 – ever hear the one about the universal jewish conspiracy to dominate the world through the insidious actions of Merchants Banks – it had Malaysia’s Dr Mahatir going – and sounding as paranoid as you sound now.

Di “Col, what a right wing prat you are turning out to be re your posts on anything outside of your little square.”

I look down at the ground, what I am I looking for? some suitable adjective to describe the sort of person who, instead of challenging my views simply descends to calling me names.

Unless you are one of the Bali 9 objecting to me calling you “garbage”, I suggest you restrain your spiteful invective and bear in mind – those who call me names like “prat” are likely to find I work on the simple premise that

“it is better to give than receive” and

“I WILL give back better than I receive”.

Further – my capacity to think “outside the square” is largely facilitated by “living outside the square”. That you know the trite lines from of the world compendium in “contemporary quasi-socialist dullard think” (all 3 pages of it - including illustrations) and think you can classify me as existing within a bi-dimensional array then - all I can say is - bring it all on sucker!

Now learn some manners and I will try to remember, from your logon name and writing style, that you are possibly almost female.

Finally, my capacity to live within the law has been tested and not found wanting. My acceptance of personal responsibility for my actions – I am proud of – It is a shame you seem to think it is some kind of joke - it says alot about what must be lacking in ethics in your life.

Very deep Col, very profound, unlike your previous posts, just keep looking at the ground. After all, all of us are in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the sky. With a wink of course, to Mr Wilde.

Col and Di,we are all torn between right and left decisions in our lives.Usually right is about survival and left about compassion and understanding.We need both for our fragile civilisation to survive.I see both sides of this reality.You don't realise it, but you both have common objectives.Don't reduce difference of opinion to personal abuse.

Mostly I agree with Col in political realities,but I have an eighteen year old with whom I have a good rapport,and can see how a a child from a broken family can easily be in such a predicament such as the Bali Nine.

I wonder how Col would feel if his friend Michael had been one of the 'Bali 9'.

I also notice that our gladiator for the rights of the individual hasn't addressed my point that the worst thing about drugs is that they are illegal.

You are right Arjay – when people like Di attack me with personal insults I respond with same.

I have a 24 and a 20 year old – neither need to traffic drugs to make ends meet – I divorced their mother when they were 12 and 8 – “broken families - a trafficker do not make”.

Garra- as friend "Tim" who happened to get caught trafficking (c1969) and went to prison to the shame of his parents and family – I had and have no sympathy for his predicament.

Likewise my own brother whose DWI resulted in the death of a passenger - it sent him to prison – no sympathy for him – some for my sister-in-law and nieces – My brother did “the time” and has rebuilt his life since but do I think he should have been given a “soft option” for drunk driving – no way – I love him but he stuffed up and has paid the penalty the court handed down – without bothering to lodge an appeal.

So if "Michael" had been one of the Bali 9 – I would suggest he is where he decided to risk himself being – he is accountable and responsible and knew the risks, let him face the consequences of his actions instead of whining and pretending “faux innocence” in a pathetic attempt at finding sympathy for his anti-social and morally contemptible behaviour –

no one traffics drugs by accident –

no one deserves the chance to traffic again after they have been caught.

Di– certainly if a "measure" of wit were a condition of quoting – you would be banned from mentioning dear Oscar.

Sarcasm is considered wit in its lowest form – it is something you might aspire to one day.