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Reading the Bible with a pair of scissors : Comments

By John McKinnon, published 6/5/2005

John McKinnon reviews Jim Wallis' book 'God's Politics - Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn’t Get It'.

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Come on Aslan be a sport, post on that slavery link.

You can show when God said to butcher the neighboring tribe and take the virgins as slaves it wasn't an act of barbarity, but all part of his divine plan.

Or that if these slaves weren't treated as bad as its made out there is no reason why this form of slavery shouldn't be practiced today.
If not why not?

In fact instead of foreign aid we should just have some of the worlds poor sent over as household slaves or send them fruit picking it isn't so bad after all.

The one I couldn't understand was if God could turn their world upside down by saying he was the one and only, part seas and the like, surely telling the Jews that slavery under any circumstance is wrong would be a piece of cake. Go figure!

You beleive in moral absolutes so choose, are you telling us slavery is under certain circumstances is Ok or is your God morally corrupt?
Posted by Neohuman, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 10:31:44 PM
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As a theologian, Aslan makes a rather ordinary mathematician. Pi is simply the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter, or (if you like) the ratio of a circle's area to the area of a square whose side is the radius.

It's only 'irrational' in the strict sense that it can't be expressed as the ratio of two integers.

And why is it inappropriate to talk about values in the context of irrationality? Fundamentalist Christians do it in these forums all the time.
Posted by garra, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 10:36:00 PM
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I don't think I need to add anymore to the pi thing. I would love to read Aslan thoughts on slavery and I was also wondering if he has seen a Gadites lately.
Posted by Kenny, Thursday, 2 June 2005 9:45:28 AM
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OPINION

From my recollection, the main defence during the Nuremberg Trials was, “I was just following orders”. So, we are not in agreement here.

An opinion is a judgement. Alternatively, right, refers to that which is, “true”, “just” or “most favourable” (Collins Dictionary). Herein, you seem to want to substitute my predicate.

Opinion=Judgement… Presumably, that is why the trial is referred to as “Judgment at Nuremberg”. We have been here before, however, I iterate, the judges and the defendants had opinions. In some cases perhaps, those on trial went against their opinions, owing to fear under the NAZI regime. My opinion is war criminals should stand trial, but not face the death penalty. I am opposed to the latter. Am I right? As I said before, it’s a matter of opinion.

SETS OF NUMBERS

The sum of the set of all irrational numbers is greater than the sum of the set of all rational numbers. Rational integers are in the minority, albeit, an infinite minority.

As Duec correctly notes that since a complete irrational number cannot be represented as a decimal, it does not follow irrational numbers does not exist. Similarly, one cannot draw a “perfect” circle.

ASTRONOMY

According to Needham, Ancient Chinese contemporary to the Ancient Egyptians (date not specified) knew the positions of the Constellations on an hour by hour basis, even when the stars were on the other side of the world: i.e., in Chinese daytime, they knew the skies over parts of the world not visible to them
Posted by Oliver, Thursday, 2 June 2005 1:52:00 PM
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Aslan,
Quote, "Hebrew "ki beyom akalek mimenu mot tamut", literally reads: ‘for in the day of your eating of it, dying you shall die.’"

The act of eating fruit caused them to die on that very day. They were separated from God on that very day, unless we take a day as a 1,000 years. The death that characterises the nature of sin as found in Romans is spiritual seperation from God: the life Christ gives is spiritual renewal of relationship to God not organic life. Adam caused this death, Christ restores this life. Christ never restores our DNA to an eternal life.

We inherited death via the DNA from the first human; set in place from the creation of life. Every organic system functioning in the living body is designed to renew the body from occurring decay.

Metabolism is the process of renewal of the cell. In very fact as we burn up body cells, decay is the nature of being alive. The digestive system feeds carbon and nutriment to the body and the respiratory system feeds oxygen to the circulatory system that nourishes each cell and in the complete process removes dead tissue, impurities and carbon dioxide by excretion, perspiration and exhaling. The function of the nervous and healing systems is of self-awareness to protect from mortal injury and to fight infection. The reproductive system by complementary male and female union upon maturity gives total renewal of the organic system itself. All organic systems are about renewal because mortality of the cell has always been present. This includes all complex vertebrate species as they have operated on these systems from their very beginning. To suggest otherwise is to support a recent evolution in the DNA of every living species since creation. The fact is the very function and design planned by the Creator of the DNA is that death should occur. For us to imagine or suggest that if Adam failed to take in oxygen or nourishment he could not die organically before his disobedience defies the created design, and defies the gasping need of the body
Posted by Philo, Thursday, 2 June 2005 9:28:41 PM
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Deuc, garra, Neohuman,

Before you accuse me of ordinary mathematics, why don't you work on your reading comprehension?

I never said pi has no value. I said it is "inappropriate to talk about its value" in the sense that pi = 3 or 3.1415926 etc.

garra says: "Pi is simply the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter"

This is the _definition_ of pi - not its value.

garra says: "It's only 'irrational' in the strict sense that it can't be expressed as the ratio of two integers"

Duh! That's a truism if I ever heard one.

Oliver,

Mark was not excluded so your question is pointless.

you said: "According to Needham,...[blah blah blah...totally irrelevant factoids]..."

I'm not going to repeat myself again. If you don't get my very simple point now, you never will.

Neohuman,

I barely have time to post here. If you are really interesting in the practice of slavery in the Bible (and I very much doubt you are), see the thorough discussions in standard academic reference works such as New Bible Dictionary, International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, or Anchor Bible Dictionary. All your questions (and many more) are answered there.

Philo,

When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, their death became a certainty. They began to die. They became "dead men walking". That is what the Hebrew grammar is communicating.

We do not inherit death. We are naturally mortal since only God is immortal. The fruit of the Tree of Life was what gave them everlasting life. Romans talks about normal physical death. Just as the process of death took time, so the process of life is not instantaneous but eventually our bodies will be restored. This concept is described in CS Lewis's book "The Great Divorce".
Posted by Aslan, Friday, 3 June 2005 1:59:36 AM
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