Col's respect for the laws of the country are legendary in certain aspects. He doesn't seem to respect the laws that guarantee us all the freedom to protest and advocate for change to immoral and stupid laws.

It has been people who sought to change laws that have moved Western society (oops thats right no such thing as society is there?) to the heights of achievement in all areas of life, that we currently enjoy.

How about if all the do-gooders back in victorian England had said, no worries mate, it's legal to send kids down the mines so don't protest about it. Luckily, the protesters back then were not those 'dole bludgers and freeloaders' but respectable and wealthy people.

Col's awareness of the widespread opposition to the detention centre is very limited and he doesn't realise that there are actually quite a lot of people, even those with jobs and money in the bank who think they are shameful and unnecessary.

Hey tus - thanks for the support - you and I see the world through similar eyes - some here might suggest we would swagger in our jackboots as we travel down Collins Street whipping those rufty-tufty protestors into line - but reality - I like to keep the black leather bright, shiny and unbesmerched from kicking the bums of bums.

I guess the “complexity” of issues flies over their heads once they drag themselves away from the comfort of Ramsay St to what passes for “real world” in the myopic delusions which they take onboard and then espouse.

Di – you hit nothing – in fact your aim is so pitiful – I doubt you could hit a barn wall with a shotgun – even firing it from inside the barn. Twaddle is always twaddle – and “dullard bating” a recognised “blood sport”, one which I have always enjoyed pursuing.

Mollydukes – suggest read the above and substitute your handle for Di’s.

Col, you've certainly lost the thread of this one, as i said before, you are in the mire of personal attack. Re a barn wall, I live in the country and shoot vermin all the time. Know all about foxes and the other stuff we've inadvertently imported, including opinions. Stick to the issues.

Col, U grumpy old man. All U can do is dream about girls in bikinis and write personal insults.

Stick to the issues.

TUS - nice try - no cigar.

LOL

Col likes boundaries - between himself and everybody else, and between his adopted country and the rest of the world. He also likes a fight, which is why he is so obnoxious in his style of argumentation, and also undoubtedly why he supports wars where millions of people die to support the ideology to which he subscribes. Those millions had to die so freedom lovers and armchair warriors like Col could enjoy their privileged existences. No wonder he's not particularly worried about the denial of human rights and other mistreatment of asylum seekers.

As long as we're OK, bugger the rest of the world, eh?

Xena: 'LOLing' does nothing to help your 'cause'.

Col has consistently put his arguments with style and logic, which is far more than I can say for anyone attempting to accuse Australia of 'Human rights abuse'. When people need an identity, they can now 'adopt a refugee' and decry the Howard government for making up 'silly boundaries'-indeed, why have any at all? 'Let's be loving and let everyone in!'

It's so easy to criticise the leaders, not so common are 'activists' being active in any way other than an occaisional protest and placard waving sesssion outside a detention center. Has any activist in this forum actually given a proven refugee a home? or do you expect the government to do that too, so you can sit back, post on this forum and find another 'trendy cause' to 'express yourself' through?