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So what does it mean to be a man? : Comments

By Mark Christensen, published 29/3/2005

Mark Christensen poses the question: what does it mean to be a man?

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The most brutal, terrorizing and continuing pattern of harmful intimate violence is carried out primarily by men.
Indeed, men are hit by their wives, they are injured, and some are killed. But, are all men hit by women “battered?” No. Men who beat their wives, who use emotional abuse and blackmail to control their wives, and are then hit or even harmed, cannot be considered battered men. A battered man is one who is physically injured by a wife or partner and has not physically struck or psychologically provoked her.
My estimate is that there are about 100,000 battered men in the United States each year - a much smaller number than the two to four million battered women - but hardly trivial.
Despite the fact that indeed, there are battered men too, it is misogynistic to paint the entire issue of domestic violence with a broad brush and make it appears as though men are victimized by their partners as much as women. It is not a simple case of simple numbers. The media, policy makers, and the public cannot simply ignore - or reduce to a parenthetical status the outcomes of violence, which leave more than 1,400 women dead each year and millions physically and/or psychologically scarred for life."

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE Not even a level playing field by Richard J Gelles

So RObert, be a man and desist with your men's rights rantings about DV. What does it mean to be a man? Own up to the truth for starters, and realize that the men's rights focus is men, not children. The fallout from this is that children and their mothers are currently abused and have even been killed on court ordered contact.
Posted by happy, Saturday, 9 April 2005 9:40:05 AM
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'Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the Church, and gave himself up for her" (Ephesians)

Kinda says it all I reckon, thats what men should be.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 9 April 2005 10:02:36 AM
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Boaz, mate, nice sentiment, but a bit simplistic. Most male violence is committed against other men. So p'rhaps s/b 'men love each other as jesus loved his church'. Davidjs should get a kick out of that!

I am being facetious. To me being a man is taking responsbility for my actions and accepting that women have a right to their own POV - whether you like it or not.

Love yous all.
Posted by Ambo, Saturday, 9 April 2005 10:15:12 AM
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When it comes to DV studies, it appears that there are few standards applied to those studies, and so DV studies often result in varying conclusions. That is a problem that Social Science must solve eventually.

It is unquestionable that violence outside the home is predominately carried out by males, but in many articles written on males, violence often becomes the main focus, and most articles overlook the fact that the majority of buildings are built by males, the majority of food is grown by males, the majority of inventions come from males, the majority of art is produced by males, and males pay the majority of personal income tax etc. Without males society would collapse very quickly.

When looked at objectively, the male gender is very much involved in keeping the ship afloat in very practical terms, and that has been occurring for centuries, and it is the main “strength” of males.

Those males who do carry out violence, break the law etc are in a minority, but they are a problem for all. What is now also a problem for all is discrimination of males, because if maleness in all its facets is to be reduced, then who is going to build the buildings, grow the food, invent the inventions, produce the art, pay the income tax etc.

Articles that only highlight the negative aspects of maleness are a part of discrimination of males. Articles that only highlight the positive aspects of females eventually discriminate against males also. I think what many males are now seeking is a level playing field, where openness and unbiased information regards both genders is made available. If this is regarded as being misogyny, then that is a problem of discrimination as well.
Posted by Timkins, Saturday, 9 April 2005 11:19:27 AM
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"most articles overlook the fact that the majority of buildings are built by males, the majority of food is grown by males, the majority of inventions come from males, the majority of art is produced by males, and males pay the majority of personal income tax etc. Without males society would collapse very quickly."

Timtam: I know I have declared a moratorium on your posts but I couldn't let this one go by.

1. Women have only been participating in greater numbers and in a wider variety of professions during the past 30 years or so. Hence the majority of male, engineers, architects, ditch diggers etc.

2. This is still a patriachal society, despite your paranoia regarding 'feminist infiltration': big business, universities, media, urinating standing up and anything else except pregnancy is still in the male dominated world.

3. Stop with the anti female diatribe and tell us what you believe makes you a man?

And just for the record I am a fully qualified Landscape Architect (4 years applied science) and my sister is an electronics engineer (she currently designs components for formula one racing). We both have paid income tax all our lives - not mention HECS. And in obtaining my degree I dug many a dig and erected many a structure.
Posted by Ringtail, Saturday, 9 April 2005 11:45:42 AM
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RINGTAIL.....you legend you :)
but ur SISTER is the one I'm now lusting after 0_- electronics ? hmmmm better give her my email and we can start cross fertilizing some electronic ideas. If she comes up with any bright idea she wants manufactured, give me a call.

Ok ok.. chill.. I'm being light hearted Dont have kittens.

Being male, is usually being the stronger complement to the 'couple' arrangment involving a male and female. I don't see why this has to be so complicated.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 9 April 2005 11:12:22 PM
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