Boaz,
Unfortunately, if you look closely at the agendas of certain groups, then they don't want males. They want males out of families, out of education, out of media, and eventually out of society.

If you look objectively at many statistics, then much of this agenda is succeeding. That is a fact, as men are being lost in great numbers from families, education systems, media etc.

The idea that these groups will negotiate is naïve, as they will only negotiate on their terms only. However these groups have the most minimal idea of where their agenda is taking society, but keep ploughing ahead regardless.

TIM
fair enuf. It might be an idea to reduce the amount of info you present per time mate. And focus on a specific case, and we can toss that around. Not info overload. Maybe u did this already, so correct me if I'm being unfair here. 'exclude males from society' can u support that one with a couple of easy to access sources ?
Thanx

Boaz,
Easy enough to see.

More than 1 in 3 marriages end in divorce. If there are children involved, then they will reside with the mother nearly 90% of the time, and the father almost has to make application to even see those children again(although he must pay the mother money of course).

Nearly all pre-school teachers, and almost 4 out of 5 primary school teachers are female, and this type of ration seems to be creeping through the secondary school system as well.

Outside of newspapers, the vast majority of printed media is in women’s magazines which operate to a formula to make women believe that they are un-happy, and being victimised, and in need of some type of shopping spree or make over. This is even occurring in media for younger girls such as “TotalGirl” magazine (which has a sub-title of “No Boys Allowed” by the way). There is now an all-girls TV program in Australia called “Girl TV”, which is like the younger girls edition of Ophra etc.

Males are gradually being forced into the outer fringes of society. Is the women’s movement concerned about this? It appears that they only become concerned if it begins to affect them financially.

Well... my solution is to refocus the socialization of our community along 'biblical principle' lines :)

Other than that, we will face a continual swing of a social pendulum.
The reason males and females are being alienated from each other, would in part be due to the 'loss of anchor' due to moral relativism and the inroads of socialist/communist beliefs about naturalistic determinism and psychology. Women are just one of a number of issues, including perceived 'discrimination' and Labor unions, where the real goal is not 'justice' but "disruption" so that the dialectical materialism can proceed and a social sythesis can occur with the ushering in the socialist revolution.
So, it does not surprise me that a wedge is being driven into us as you describe. The sad thing is that most women don't even realize they are but pawns in the grander scheme of things.

The problem is, that having by and large abandoned our Creator as a source of justice and ethics and values, the established social order has little to counter the rising socialist voice with apart from simply disagreeing with it.

Yes Boaz,
I have sometimes wondered why people in the women’s movement are doing the things they do. There would be a couple of reasons, but I think that propaganda and brainwashing is foremost. This brainwashing makes women believe that they are under constant threat from “patriarchy” etc. It makes them feel fearful, so they have to commit themselves to the women’s movement to avoid that perceived threat.

However, what threat? If you look at old photos or portraits of women in earlier times, how many seem unhappy or oppressed. Most women seem to be draped in furs and jewels. Is that “oppression”. I have heard from women in their 70’s that they were much happier in the 1940’s and 1950’s than now, as their life was much simpler, more stable, more certain, and less stressful.

I could only recommend looking at Christine Stolba’s essay on indoctrination processes used within the women’s movement.
http://www.iwf.org/pdf/roomononesown.pdf
Reading her essay would be on par with reading works such as 1984 or Animal Farm, in getting an understanding of how indoctrination processes operate.

Best of luck in any future discussion with people such as Grace, a strong supporter of the women’s movement. Notice how trying to discuss something with her using facts, logic or even common sense doesn’t work. These things are not often used within feminism.

Hi Guys

David Boaz - I totally agree with the un-PC comments. You should SO not have to watch every comment you make, it makes life tedious.

BUT

Do you really think men and women are alienated from each other? I don't at all. I think the relevance of the radicalism of the women's movement has deminished now, and society has found a new balance that share's responsibility and rights better. Now that balance has been found women's rights have become almost irrelevant. They will probably remain so for another 50 odd years until advances in technology or globalisation or some such thing upsets the balance and then when people have chosen sides, one side or the other will start campaigning. There are still articles being written about feminism in the background but there are very few people interested in them.

It is a bit unfair that there is a bias in the courts that gives the mother the kids most of the time. I am sure that a good portion of the time the court hasn't even examined the family situation closely. But the courts are not a good reflection of general public opinion anyway. How many people give child molesters a 10 year sentance where they can get out for good behavoir in 6? None of the general public but the courts do it all the time.