I’m just glad Oceangrrl doesn’t think my decision to avoid Toyota products could be mistaken for an attack on women ;-).

The power of the vote, AND consumer choice … oh, what a feeling!

I agree there seeker,

Trying to communicate to certain people using information, facts, logic etc, is very difficult, as such things appear to be alien to them. So other people have to vote them out, or not purchase products that are related to them. Believing anything they say becomes very difficult, as so much of what they say is hype, spin, propaganda, or attempts at brainwashing.

There is a list of organisations that would contain many members of the current women’s movement at… http://www.nwjc.org.au/avcwl/lists/info/index.html

However trace this back to a web-site at …http://www.nwjc.org.au/avcwl/lists/info/wesnet-padv-committee.html
and you will arrive at a web-site at….http://www.wesnet.org.au/

Now this site is titled the "WesNet" web-site or “The Women's Services Network”

A closer study of this organisation shows that it is a domestic violence organisation, but only for “women and children”. They state that they are “diverse”. (EG “The WESNET National Committee comprises delegates from each State and Territory to ensure adequate national coverage of diverse policy issues is achieved”). However the National Committee is made up of women only, which is not diverse at all.

What is the purpose of this organisation :- “WESNET is a national women's peak advocacy body which facilitates and promotes policy, legislative and programmatic responses relevant to women and children who have experienced domestic and family violence.”

They also state the following :- “WESNET works within a feminist framework which promotes an understanding of domestic and family violence as gendered violence.”

So we have words such as “feminist framework”, “gendered violence” etc.

So eventually we find that this is an umbrella type “feminist” organisation, that has no male representation, and promotes the belief that domestic violence is “gendered”. Is domestic violence “gendered”, or specific to one gender only? There is much discussion about this. One article which discusses it is at… http://homepage.ntlworld.com/verismo/dv.againstmen.html

So the women’s movement and feminism is very much alive, but many things are becoming more clear in time. If it is researched, then many of these women’s groups are often supported by government subsidies (IE the tax-payer) to promote their policies, but these policies can be generalised and highly biased, and not necessarily true or accurate by any means.

That is the current evolution of the women’s movement, after all these years of voting.

OCEANGIRL
I have no idea what u are on about (hate towards women blah blah)
My problem is with those who 'hijack' a legitimate movement for the sake of personal agenda's and who then 'manufacture' issues to justify their own existence once the main goals of the movement have been achieved.

I happen to rather love women, even equally paid women :) You seem to still be seeing in terms of 'them/us' shame. I'm for a more holisitic approach to gender. My key phrase is 'not competitive, but complementary".

Also, I hope you are not one of those girls who has just 'swallowed' everything the radical feminazi's have thrown your way. The idea of women be 'subjugated' is repulsive to me.

Boaz,
I can see the type of thinking of some people.

There are groups such as Wesnet, that claim to be “advocates” of “women and children”. Now if someone were to criticise the activities of WesNet, then other people may construe this as being an attack on “women and children”. They will do this to protect Wesnet, and allow it’s activities to continue (regardless of whether those activities are constructive or not).

There also appears to be feminists that claim to be the voice of women in general, so any criticism of those feminists is an attack on women in general.

It is a type of logic I guess, but a very insidious form of logic.

It looks like many people should start boycotting Telstra, after it’s decision to not support LifeLine any further.

However the women’s movement continues on, often subsided by government, and often protected from criticism by a certain form of logic.

Boycotting Telstra, for pulling the plug on LifeLine is a good idea. This is such a worthwhile cause, and after making $2.3 billion in half yearly profits, Telstra should be ashamed of its position on Lifeline. Not only will Telstra cease providing free telephone calls for people in distress, it will be making a profit out of those about to commit suicide. How sick is that?

Seeker,
Possibly the government needs to publish an up to date, and easy to follow listing of which organisations are receiving government subsidies or government funding.

This then lets the taxpayer see where their money is going. The taxpayer can see if their money is going to organisations that dedicated towards the common good, that are non-biased, that do not use false claims and statistics, and do not use indoctrination.

It would help avoid essential or vital organisations having to cut back, while funding goes to organisations that are non-vital, or even harmful for society.

The government may already publish such a list, but I can’t find it