Boaz - agree topic is very much exhausted and much strayed from. Why the personal attack on my moniker, mate? Just coz you disagree with me?
The losers are the gay community who continue to be marginalised and villified.

Concerned Citizen,
The topic if IVF/AI could be discussed more fully in the other forum under “Political sperm donors”, where IVF/AI vs adoption can also be discussed. There has been information already posted on a number of areas, but because there are so few donors now in Australia, donors are being enticed to come to Australia from other countries, which means that the donor is un-available to the child. I have a close look at the IVF/AI industry, and I think that the longer this industry continues, the bigger the problems that are going to develop as I see it.

From what I have generally read of it, then gay marriage (where it has been legalised) has a higher divorce rate than heterosexual marriage. There could be many reasons for this, but you will notice that most governments couldn’t really care less about heterosexual marriages, and if you remove government rhetoric then many government programs in place to support heterosexual marriage are mostly minimal or token gesture stuff only.

This is what I have tried to indicate to Homo au Go-Go, is that if the gay community want such things as legalised gay marriage, it will have to provide the services, resources or infrastructure itself to support gay marriage. It cannot rely on the government, as the government provides almost nothing for heterosexual marriage (which is the majority of marriage). There are sections of government or sections of society that could even be regarded as anti-marriage or anti-nuclear family.

So just legalising homosexual marriage is not enough, as there has to be the infrastructure to make it work. If that infrastructure is not there, it will all end in tears for many gay people I'm sure. The situation for heterosexual marriage is bad enough with minimal support or concern by government, but I think it could be much worse for homosexual marriage, if the gay community does not provide its own infrastructure

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I wasn't trying to attack ur monika.. I was trying to inject a bit of humor into our interaction. It just so happens that every time I see ur nick, it reminds me of that pesky (but lovable) possum :)

BOAZ_David is correct about democratic forces. And the reality is that the church is a far more significant body than the 1% or 2% of gays in the country.

If gays feel marginalised, it is their own doing. They are not just concerned with tolerance or equal opportunity - they want everyone to celebrate, applaud and even participate in their perversion. In doing so, they have awaken the sleeping giant - the Church! We are fed up with the gay agenda. If they want a war on social policy then they are going to get one. And they are massively outnumbered.

The Church was responsible for the marriage act ammendment bill which the ALP was initially not going to support until Jim Wallace from the ACL gave Nicola Roxon a lesson on democracy. In SA the church chucked out the vilification bill, had the pro-homosexual sex education program rewritten, and removed statutory limitations which stopped paedophiles who committed offences years ago from being prosecuted. And we are shortly going to have the Relationships Bill chucked.

And we have only just scratched the surface!

AK

Timkins

You brought up the AI/IVF issue on this forum - I was just responding.

In respect to this, however: "So just legalising homosexual marriage is not enough, as there has to be the infrastructure to make it work. If that infrastructure is not there, it will all end in tears for many gay people I'm sure. The situation for heterosexual marriage is bad enough with minimal support or concern by government, but I think it could be much worse for homosexual marriage, if the gay community does not provide its own infrastructure."

Why are you so concerned for gay and lesbian people who want to get married? And why should gays and lesbians have to supply their OWN infrastructure? Why don't you say heterosexuals should supply THEIR own infrastructure? Why would you just not say, the Government has to fix the problems? To not allow gay and lesbian people to marry because the Government hasn't yet got it right for heterosexuals is a very limited argument.

In any case, someone a few posts before this one hit the nail on the head. None of this has anything to do with the issue at hand - which is the Liberal Party's plan to roll back human rights in WA.

Everything else is irrelevant.

Aslan, you're a worry, you appear to dislike a lot of people, gays ARE discriminated against, if you don't believe me just pretend to the next straight male you meet that you're gay - see how they react - could be interesting. Betcha don't have the ermm...balls for that.

Boaz, me bonza mate, I am happy when you do attempt a bit of humour, guess that makes you my fave christian here and if I make you think of something warm and furry............all to the better.