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Faith in open debate : Comments

By Ruth Limkin, published 23/12/2004

Ruth Limkin argues Victoria’s vilification legislation is dangerous and sets an appalling precedent for our Nation.

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Grace
It would be a misinformed or poorly educated muslim cleric who would quote from the Bible ie Old Testament and say 'all christians in Australia secretly want to murder women and children, because this is what their bible tells them to do'.

If a muslim cleric were to quote from the Bible to illustrate what Christians are instructed to do, then he would quote from the New Testament. Christians are followers of Christ, and the New Testament contains their set of rules which one would expect they are expected to follow.

The Old Testament foreshadows the coming of the messiah and Christians believe Jesus is the messiah, so Christians read the Old Testament in this context.

The Jews are still waiting for the messiah promised in the Old Testament and so continue to live by the rules of the Talmud(Old Testament rules).

Muslims believe Jesus is just another prophet and Muhammed is their man. Muhammed wrote the Koran in the 7th century. it stands to reason that Muslims would be expected to follow the teachings of it and the Hadith. The Pastors quoted from these texts. Is this wrong?

Now compare the teachings and practices of both Jesus and Mohammed.

If a muslim cleric taught that Jesus encouraged Christians to murder, he would be wrong, wouldn't he if he quoted from the words of Christ?

Read both and compare.
Posted by cynthia, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 10:19:28 AM
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Whilst not the key point of the article, I would like to make mention of the misrepresentation of Mormons (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) not believing "that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation".

Latter-day Saints firmly accept and use the Bible as scripture, and LDS beliefs state categorically that "there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent."

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are certainly Christians, as their correct title states, and they strive to follow him in word and in deed.

- Christopher Cooper, LDS Church Public Affairs, QLD
Posted by LDS Church Public Affairs, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 4:14:27 PM
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I think the critical issue here is selective quoting of scripture to justify a position, be that hatred of Muslims, Christians or whomever.

It would be interesting to know why the preachers convicted chose to inflame anti Muslim hatred by selectively quoting the Qu'ran.
Posted by dmac, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 4:31:09 PM
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How do you non-selectively quote?
Posted by GrahamY, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 4:50:55 PM
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Sure, if you want to get into semantics any quote is selective. Perhaps I should have written that the critical issue here is the selection of scripture to mislead people.
Posted by dmac, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 8:22:26 AM
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Matthew 5:17-18 Jesus say's old testment law should are binding and he has no problem with them.

Jesus says that the Old Testament laws are binding on everyone forever. But in Luke (16:16) he says they were binding only until the time of John the Baptist. And Paul (Rom.7:4, 6; Eph.2:15) insists that Christians are free to completely disregard the Old Testament laws. Notice also that Jesus says here that the earth will not last forever, but elsewhere the bible says it will.

Burn them witches!
Posted by Kenny, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 12:08:41 PM
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