Timkins, thanks for the reply. Glad you've finally stated an opposition to all discrimination, hopefully now we can all move on from that. Many will be pleased to see a post from you without mention of a certain feminist academic who you appear to not find funny.

I had a read the article you referenced in your last post and have some concerns with the apparent tone. It was great that it mentioned that most men are keen to move on.

If the research results are in the same tone as the article it could be used to support bad outcomes for men in property settlement on the basis that there is less emotional damage to us etc.

We may not care about keeping the TV we had when together but being able to afford a TV is important, we may be willing to move on from the old family home but we mostly want a home (with a shed). In my case I accepted that there would be a lot of change following the breakup but have tried to build stability for myself and my son once that initial transition was over.

R0bert

Reason - will reply to your question when I have a little more time. Much appreciate your posts on this thread.

Timkins you state "but no one should be discriminated against because of religion, gender, nationality, class, ethnic group etc."

I have made similar statements throughout this thread - therefore, as did R0bert, so do I take to mean a YES answer on equality between the sexes.

T - you have no idea how much 'reading between the lines' can be made from your posts - any regular member to these forums can see the hurt and pain you are expressing by your consistent agenda of rejecting any 'feminist' posts yet still claiming no-one has answered you questions.

Mate, no-one ever will. Because you are set on 'reject-mode' to anything which does not fit your specific criteria.

Basically, Timkins, you can't see the forest for the trees.

We have all been hurt and I have to say if I hadn't received the incredible moral support from various men (with no hidden agenda) throughout my life I have no doubt that I would mistrust all men the way that you doubt all feminists/humanists.

Much love to all.

Kalweb,
A poster’s children would have little to do with the topic, but exactly what constitutes “feminism” would. A simple definition of feminism isn’t enough, as specific feminist policies have to be made known also.

Many people will call themselves “feminists”, undertake “Feminist Studies”, and even carry out “feminist” research. An example of feminist research involving nurses could be at :-

“Now researchers at the University of Western Sydney ask: Does growing up without a dad at home change a woman's life, particularly the way she forms relationships with men?”
http://apps.uws.edu.au/media/news/index.phtml?act=view&story_id=1316

This study is headed by a nurse researcher whose research methodology includes “Feminist and critical approaches” http://www.uws.edu.au/about/acadorg/cshs/snfch/schoolstaff/debrajackson

So what is a “feminist” approach to research, and how is it different to normal research? Would “feminist” research be biased in some way, and why is this study being undertaken on daughters only, and not on sons also?

Such questions should be asked, (particularly if feminism is being taxpayer funded), but questions regard feminism, feminist policies, feminist text etc are usually met with much silence, and very few details about “feminism” will be given out. I would think that there is now the most minimal level of accountability or openness within “feminism”.

Robert,
The way I now vote for political parties is to first read their policies on the Internet. Quite often political parties have few policies, (or they don’t provide much detail), but rely heavily on advertising gimmicks, propaganda, spin, dirty politics etc. There are also parties that get into power, and then release details of their policies, (when the public has less chance to object).

Feminists will often repeat words such as “equality”, “liberation” etc, but these are emotive, propaganda type words only, and when objectively studied, few feminists have released actual policy details, which mean that feminism (as a political or social system) is justifiably highly suspect.

For more on Maushart, also see
http://www.ipa.org.au/files/news_479.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/10/04/1033538773205.html

Reason, Trinity
You continue to make unsubstantiated assumptions about myself, but have answered very few questions about feminism, or provided specific details.

Does this constitute much of what is feminism

Timkins

Thanks for your response. And you are correct re your first sentence! I was trying to hit your emotional belt - to no avail me thinks.

I have not espoused that I am "feminist". Far from it. I have said that I hold some feminist values - but I hold far more traditional values. I studied "feminism" at Armidale Uni - recovered after six months!

I visisted the web sites that you suggested. Mmm. Yes. On many points I agree. Everything is qualitative research - which most "rats 'n stats" people totally disregard. I have worked with some of these women and I have seen their research. I also know the bias that some of them demonstraate. But you know as well as I do that "bias" is inherent in all research. It's just that most do not acknowledge same.

I explored my Master of Ed. through Deakin. My supervisor was a bloke. My research was qualitative and based on critical thinking. My studies were around critical thinking and curriculum development.
I learned heaps.

I suggest that you stop the search for a concrete definition of feminism - there isn't one! Take human emotion for example, or a chair. Explore a number of dictionaries - there are many definitions of human emotion - and many definitions of chairs. It is the underpinning: metaparidgims, paradigms, philosophies, conceptual frameworks that are more important - surely?

Cheers
Hope that has cleared that up?
Kay

BD I noticed your post quoting the quran in another thread - "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more than the other,............." . It does not seem to be to far off your views about women (apart from the name used for god.

You might have more in common with followers of the Koran than you recognise.

R0bert

Kalweb,
I tend to think that feminism is very much alive, but not operating in the best interests of women, children or men.

The study of 450,000 women by Dr Silvia Pezzini, basically concluded the following :-
Birth control rights have caused an increase in women's investment in education, their probability of working, their income levels and their self-reported 'life satisfaction'.

At the same time, other women's rights have been less beneficial. Mutual consent divorce laws have had a negative impact on women's welfare while the granting of maternity rights in the workplace has had no net effect.
http://rlab.lse.ac.uk/news/default.asp

Similar has been found in many other studies. The ABS data on mental health shows this, and so does work by David de Vaus

“However, the results from this contemporary survey of mental health and wellbeing in Australia are unequivocal about the general situation in contemporary Australian families. When a range of types of mental disorders are considered, marriage reduces the risk of mental disorders for both men and women. Although married men and women risk different types of disorders, this has nothing to do with them being married.”
http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/fm2002/fm62/dd.pdf

Generally, if a woman gets married and stays married then she will be much wealthier, happier, and healthier than a woman who follows the feminist principles of frequent divorce, frequent de facto relationships etc.

However this is not the message being sent out by so many academic feminists, feminists in the media, or by people such as Pru Goward, who will rarely say one positive word about fathers, husbands, marriage etc. Almost universally, they are portraying these things negatively, and they also carry out highly suspect “feminist” type research. This then becomes a extremely serious issue, as so many people are being mislead by such feminists.

By suppressing information, hiding information, giving out the wrong messages etc, so many feminists eventually become traitors to their own gender.