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Decline in feminism? The backlash myth : Comments

By Paul Norton, published 19/8/2005

Paul Norton argues there is no evidence to support popular claims that Australians are becoming more conservative.

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Don't be silly Reason, of course you can be a feminist.
Posted by Deuc, Sunday, 4 September 2005 11:38:36 PM
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I must have lost the plot!

My understanding is that Voltaire(male) was the first person to espouse rights for women.

Being called a "feminist" is not the issue. It's about holding feminist values. Feminist does not mean female. It is about human rights.

Check out Voltaire
Cheers
Kay
Posted by kalweb, Monday, 5 September 2005 12:48:27 AM
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Reason, Trinity, thank you for understanding my posts. After much deliberation and technological investigation, I have come to the following enlightening conclusion.

I may be wrong., but it appears that Timkins, may be a recorded loop message with the ability to pick up and add some words and phrases, very cunning indeed.

Bd, your ilk is very good at being loopy, did you write that. However I don' think the technology has advanced enough to be able to actually answer questions, but good try Reason.

I must stand up for BD on this occasion, 6ft and 100 kilo's up a tree, I would like to see that.

You are right Kalweb, it is a pity that so much time has passed and we still haven't got it right. So refreshing that so many of us do accept and enjoy our differences, against the constant grinding stupidity of the fanatical, (blank). I won't use the word nutter anymore, as I am no longer prepared to demean the dense qualities of nuts. I do feel, that “blank” is a more suitable description.

What other ways can we draw the genders together and continue to improve our lives. In another thread, (Aussie mozzies, I think) I have asked the muslims to explain their reasons for the debilitating suppression of women, but along with all the (blanks) they avoid replying and just switch on their loopy replies, or disappear for a while in the hope that we all might forget. Ah, the intricacies of a closed mind.

So along with what we have here, it is growing evidence that they have no answers, just blinkered fear.
Posted by The alchemist, Monday, 5 September 2005 8:36:21 AM
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Reason - thanks for your comments. Anyone who believes in equal rights for all regardless of race, colour, creed or gender can rightfully claim to be a humanist. This is really how I prefer to see myself. I use the term feminist mainly to make it clear to those who are a bit slow that I believe in equal rights/opportunity for women. And to stir the pot a little ;-) as feminism has become an inflammatory term for some.

BD - sigh - I was not entering into a pissing competition with you I was merely pointing out that I can take care of myself, thank you very much, and am in no need of your paternalistic form of protection. You have managed, as Reason has pointed out, to reveal your neanderthal tendencies.

Timkins - Apparently no-one here wants to 'convert' you to feminism.
Posted by Trinity, Monday, 5 September 2005 8:42:14 AM
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Reason,
I’ve answered all your questions in previous posts. Go back and carefully read those posts again, and also carefull read through the links. No one else seems to have had much difficulty understanding those posts (or they haven’t asked as yet)

I’ve done the work, you have only called me names and made unsubstantiated remarks about me (similar to those “non-discriminating” and “equality” type remarks made by Trinity and The Alchemist).

But you say that you are not a feminist, then what is a “feminist”?

Please supply,
*a definition of feminism
* a detailed list of feminist policies,
* a list of web-sites and texts I would be permitted to read as a feminist, and a list of web-sites and texts I would not be permitted to read as a feminist (eg. Could I look at this http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm or look at this, http://www.ifeminists.net/index.php )
* a list of feminists I should regard as being “extremist”, and a list of feminists I should regard as being “non-extremist” (eg would Dr Susan Maushart PhD be an “extremist” feminist, or a “non-extremist” feminist, as no academic has objected to her male maligning comments, and she has also been recommended by the current Sex Discrimination Commissioner).
*a list of maligning names people can call feminists, (similar to the many maligning names feminists have called other people).

Kalweb
You seem to be saying that feminism means “equality” for females, but does feminism mean equality for males also?

For example:-
“Are you supposed to clip a boy’s toenails? I found myself wondering at 3am. Does he even have toenails? I couldn’t recall having specifically sighted any.”

This has been written by a Dr Susan Maushart PhD, about her own son. She describes herself as a “feminist”, and appears to be much respected by academics, and has been well recommended by the Sex Discrimination Commissioner.

So would Dr Susan Maushart PhD be a suitable role model for a “feminist”, (who are supposed to have equal regard for other people, even including their own sons)
Posted by Timkins, Monday, 5 September 2005 9:06:42 AM
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Timkins,
You are simply avoiding the questions.

I can only now suppose that you are afraid to post your answers. At least BD had the fortitude to do so.

Look through your posts and point out to me where. Treat me as dull (I will not mind the slight. I am a little thick skinned to those simple issues – yes, even a little thick if you like) but just at least show me where you clearly answered the questions! Alternatively, answer them! How hard is that? Here they are again!:

- Do you think that women should have equal rights to men?
- Do you think women should have an equal opportunity to do what they wish (to the extent that man does)?
- Do you think women are equally capable of leading and decision making as men?

They aren’t complex or difficult you know…

Oh, yeah… Yay, I’m a feminist! My girl friend will be so happy!
Posted by Reason, Monday, 5 September 2005 11:06:59 AM
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