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Decline in feminism? The backlash myth : Comments

By Paul Norton, published 19/8/2005

Paul Norton argues there is no evidence to support popular claims that Australians are becoming more conservative.

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Timkins,
no you have not answered the basic questions I put to you. If so, cut and paste them - I could not find the answers.

Until you do so, I can only assume you are afraid to and it is not worth my time responding to you.

Alchemist, like your thinking. Always good to have a devil's advocate - particularly ones that are entertaining.
Posted by Reason, Saturday, 3 September 2005 2:40:05 PM
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Reason,
I have given detailed answers to your general questions, starting about http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=2466#12950

Discarding rhetoric or propaganda, you have provided minimal details about “feminism” in your posts, (so other people would know more of what you are talking about), so maybe you could provide some very specific details about “feminism”, as asked in my last previous post.

Anyone else who wants to call themselves a “feminist”, could also provide those details, but if simple questions about feminism cannot be answered, then it certainly doesn’t say much for all the taxpayer’s money that has been poured into so many feminist courses over so many years.

Or perhaps those courses were just breeding grounds for academics such as Dr Susan Maushart PhD, (who has been thoroughly recommended by the Sex Discrimination Commissioner), but who cannot write a single article in her weekly column in the national newspaper, without maligning or demonising the male gender in some way.

Eg
“Remember the midlife crisis? It used to be something only guys got - like jock itch, or promotion to partner.”

or perhaps,

“In marriages where husbands reject wives' influence, the odds of divorce are much higher. Not so when wives reject their husband's influence - a situation most researchers describe as ... well, understandable.”

So males are just people to be maligned by feminists in the media, and researchers say that husbands must obey their wives, but wives do not have to obey their husbands.

What a marvellous culmination for all those taxpayer dollars spent on all those so called “equality” feminist education courses held over so many years in so many universities throughout the country.
Posted by Timkins, Saturday, 3 September 2005 9:46:56 PM
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Reason

Just a quick post to acknowledge your posts to this thread - they are a breath of fresh air much needed in the repetitive atmosphere that permeates many of these forums. I would wager my round-house kick to the unlikely protection that an aging bible basher could afford me. Also I, unlike a certain paranoid conspiracy theorist, I thoroughly enjoy the company of the opposite sex - vive le difference! Which are very few but very necessary.

Bon Jour fellow humans!
Posted by Trinity, Sunday, 4 September 2005 11:47:15 AM
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Trinity,
I thought “feminists” believed in “equality”, and didn’t “discriminate”. However you have mentioned an “aging bible basher”, which now means that you like name-calling, and also you discriminate amongst people regarding their “age” and also their “religion”

This feminism seems very confusing, so perhaps you could provide some light on “feminism”, and provide some specific details:-

*a definition of feminism
* a detailed list of feminist policies,
* a list of web-sites and texts I would be permitted to read as a feminist, and a list of web-sites and texts I would not be permitted to read as a feminist (eg. Could I look at this http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm or look at this, http://www.ifeminists.net/index.php )
* a list of feminists I should regard as being “extremist”, and a list of feminists I should regard as being “non-extremist” (eg would Dr Susan Maushart PhD be an “extremist” feminist, or a “non-extremist” feminist, as no academic has objected to her male maligning comments, and she has also been recommended by the current Sex Discrimination Commissioner).
*a list of maligning names people can call feminists, (similar to the many maligning names feminists have called other people).
Posted by Timkins, Sunday, 4 September 2005 3:18:19 PM
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Thanx Timmy :) I guess she was referring to me.

Trinity, its cool, I don't mind a bit of that. But in my defence, (now that you have attacked my manhood) may I say, that I'm 6foot, 100kg and have never lost a fight.. oops.. I did lose one, it was the golden gloves state titles in NSW, where for my first fight, I was matched with a guy who 3 fights later became Australian light heavyweight champion. I fought him for one round, but gave too much too soon, and decided to opt out. The judges awarded me the round. On the basis of that one round, Ring magazine rated me 18th in Australia.

So, if push came to shove, I think I would (even at this age :) have something to contribute towards your protection in the face of an attacker/s. Maybe we would be a good team "Boaz and Trinity" instead of batman and robin.

Ok.. manhood restored :)) down to business..

I seriously doubt that the radical feminists (many of who seem to come from some kind of abusive background.. ?) will ever be happy with what most of us would call equality. The rediculous calls for 'replacing fathers/mothers day with Special persons day' is at least illustrative of this.

When the major issues of communal survival have been dealt with, some people seem to hunt around for trivial things which they turn into a major 'relevance exercise' and annoy everyone else by showing how much power they wield in making us change our vocabulary. i.e. it boils down to ego.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 4 September 2005 5:16:53 PM
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Timkins,
I have not ever stated that I am a feminist. I cannot be because I am a male. I have simply asked you to answer a few questions, which again I say you have not. If so, please cut and paste them into a post so I can read them.

You carry on quite a bit about various maligning statements regarding men but very little regarding what you think of women. Let me ask one more time, very clearly:

- Do you think that women should have equal rights to men?
- Do you think women should have an equal opportunity to do what they wish (to the extent that man does)?
- Do you think women are equally capable of leading and decision making as men?

Now, try to answer these without more about what you perceive the current situation is. I want your opinion on these questions, not your perception on other issues.

Do you understand? Just a simple answer to each question, nothing more.

Trinity,
My thanks. I agree wholeheartedly. Difference and sameness all in one. It would seem though that some men have a fear of the equality that is abundantly evident and rely on Neanderthal style comparisons to argue their case.

Bd,
If you judge manhood by how easy it is for you to beat up on another, you are further up the tree than I originally thought.
Posted by Reason, Sunday, 4 September 2005 11:13:42 PM
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