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By Alon Ben-Meir, published 10/9/2025The genocidal war in Gaza should put the whole world on notice that this is now simply another episode in the moral collapse of our humanity, as 'never again' has lost its moral weight.
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Posted by ateday, Wednesday, 10 September 2025 2:36:24 PM
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Going on this author's attitude to Netanyahu and Israel, he will be as disappointed as poor Penny Wong that more of the terrorists leaders responsible for the atrocities against Israeli citizens on October 7 ‘23 were taken out in Doha last night by Israeli jets.
Wong gasped “We certainly think this was the wrong thing to do. Because it violates Qatar’s sovereignty.” If Qatar accommodates terrorists, phooey to their sovereignty. Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 10 September 2025 6:30:29 PM
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Dear Ttbn,
You obviously don't watch the comments on Israeli media, with Israelis now that desperate to throw caution to the wind and break the last taboo, openly comparing Netanyahu with Hitler, and so does this article in spirit. Nobody can tell for sure as the evidence is circumstantial, however: * The motive was there - several in fact as the article delineates. * The financing of Hamas by Netanyahu is well documented, allowing Hamas to build its enormous arsenal, including rockets and underground cities, even a rudimentary air-force of gliders and drones. * The systematic ignoring of the various IDF and Shin-Bet alarms about the impending attack; the air-force's jets circling elsewhere and not helping at the critical hours, and the army's order to concentrate all efforts on Israel's northern front, are beyond statistically reasonable mishaps. * Somehow in an unusual way, none of those who were supposed to wake up Netanyahu early that morning did. * Once Netanyahu finally did wake up, within an hour, while Hamas' surprise attack was still developing and nobody yet understood its extent, he already declared that "this is not just an operation, but a full-scale war which will last for over a year". * Then comes a long series over 2 years of Netanyahu committing every possible tactical mistake to avoid winning the war and make it last longer. This is Israel which in 1967 took only 6 days to take over the whole of the Golan Heights, the West Bank and the Sinai peninsula INCLUDING Gaza, also subdued mighty Iran from the air in about the same number of days. * Sinwar proceeded with October 7th attack despite all his aides warning him that Israel must be prepared for it - he must have known something which they did not. * The vast majority of October 7th victims are from the Kibbutzim near Gaza which are known for belonging to the peaceful Left-wing opposition to Netanyahu, and the Hippy-like music-lovers in the Nova musical festival, also deep into Israel's Peace-Camp. The hard evidence has probably gone down into Sinwar's grave. Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 10 September 2025 9:41:59 PM
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"The genocidal war in Gaza should put the whole world on notice that this is now simply another episode in the moral collapse of our humanity, as 'never again' has lost its moral weight."
'OUR' Humanity? Please don't associate me with anything the terrorist state of Israel does. It's your country the USA providing the munitions, and your people Jews conducting the genocide. I've been opposing this senseless slaughter since Oct 8. Yuyutsu, I'd largely agree with everything you said, and add the point that Egypt warned Israel prior to the attack as did those women in the Golani brigade whose concerns were dismissed. Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047 IDF Ignored Female Soldiers’ Warnings Pre-Oct. 7. Then They Were Massacred http://youtu.be/dELb5wVQwbk Why were they massacred? Because Oct 7 was as much a raid on Israeli military facilities as anything else. A legitimate attack by the occupied upon the occupier under International law. Most of the Israeli citizens killed were by the IDF themselves under the Hannibal Doctrine, and talk of mass rapes, and beheaded babies were all fabricated. I'd disagree that Israel 'subdued mighty Iran from the air in about the same number of days'. The IRGC military commanders took a number of casualties from Israeli airstrikes but they regrouped fast and were pounding Israeli military and infrastructure and the Israelis faced their first serious smack in the face and had run out of missile interceptors. Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 11 September 2025 6:42:04 AM
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Dear Critic,
We don't need to agree on everything. I do support Israel and its right to defend itself, so long as its actions are in fact defensive, not because of some superior ideology or values it may have, but because nobody else in that neighbourhood can protect my family from savage Islamists. Israel's operations during October and November 2023 were within reason, especially since some Hamas terrorists still remained within Israel for another week or two and the rockets from Gaza kept flying in. It was only later and only gradually that the war turned nasty and focused on revenge rather than on defence. Also, the stuff about the Hanibal doctrine is nonsense, as it was forbidden by Israel's courts and the IDF command years before. A few Israelis were tragically killed by friendly fire, but not intentionally and only a few. Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 11 September 2025 8:28:30 AM
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Hi Yuyutsu,
Israeli HQ ordered troops to shoot Israeli captives on 7 October http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israeli-hq-ordered-troops-shoot-israeli-captives-7-october "At midday on 7 October Israel’s supreme military command ordered all units to prevent the capture of Israeli citizens “at any cost” – even by firing on them. The military “instructed all its fighting units to perform the Hannibal Directive in practice, although it did so without stating that name explicitly,” Israeli journalists revealed last weekend. The revelations came in a new investigative article by Ronen Bergman and Yoav Zitun, two journalists with extensive sources inside Israel’s military and intelligence establishment. They also revealed that 'some 70 vehicles' driven by Palestinian fighters returning to Gaza were blown up by Israeli helicopter gunships, drones or tanks. Many of these vehicles contained Israeli captives." How Israeli forces trapped and killed ravers at the Nova Festival http://thecradle.co/articles/how-israeli-forces-trapped-and-killed-ravers-at-the-nova-festival "Israeli officials allege that Hamas carried out a pre-mediated and carefully executed massacre of 364 Israeli civilians at the Nova music festival near Gaza on 7 October as part of the Palestinian resistance's Operation Al-Aqsa Flood. They claim that Hamas and other Palestinians had hours to murder Israeli partygoers before the army reached the scene. However, new details have emerged showing that Israel's Border Police was deployed at the Nova site before Hamas stumbled on the festival, causing the eruption of a major battle. While some ravers were indeed killed by the Palestinian resistance - whether by intent or in the chaos of battle - the evidence now suggests that the majority of civilian deaths were likely inflicted by Israeli forces themselves. " http://www.facebook.com/territoriansforpalestine/posts/the-idf-destroyed-over-1000-vehicles-on-7-october-2024-killing-israelis-festival/920743806869732/ "The IDF destroyed over 1000 vehicles on 7 October 2024, killing Israelis, festival goers and Hamas fighters, they also blew up Kibbutz houses with tank fire killing Israelis. How many Israelis did the IDF kill? The answer has been deliberately buried. Israel admits it killed its own at Nova music festival. A police investigation shows Israeli Apache helicopters opened fire on attendees of the Nova music festival during the 7 October Hamas attack. Shamefully, the Western mainstream media continues to ignore IDF crimes on 7 October 2023." Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 11 September 2025 9:32:24 AM
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Truly incredible.