You don’t have to be Donald Trump to have always known that the two state solution was a load of old bollocks.

Palestinians don't want a solution nor do their partners in crime & their hierarchy !

Now they call Jews as their enemies however, just wait till their confidence wells they'll change it to Whites !
Don't forget that the victims of "refugees" in Europe aren't Jewish !

There will be more than two states!

In 2023, Israel was on its way to split into two-states, because the people within Israel just cannot live with each other.

Maps were drawn, depicting the liberal-cosmopolitan state of "Israel" with Tel-Aviv as its capital and stretching north and north-west, versus the conservative-Jewish state of "Judea" with Jerusalem as capital, stretching south and west.

http://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-752520
http://newmedia.calcalist.co.il/magazine-10-08-23/images/2-p-800.jpg

This split was paused by the October 7th attack, but once the war is over, it will resume.

On the other side, the leaders of the West-Bank city of Hebron cannot live with the Palestinian-Authority and are asking to create their own peaceful Emirate there.

http://www.wsj.com/opinion/new-palestinian-offer-peace-israel-hebron-sheikh-emirate-36dd39c3

Again, the now-in-ruins Gazan people, have their own unique interests, and the people of the West-Bank never wanted them in the first place.

This way or the other, forcing all the people of that region, of such very different cultures and values, to live under a one-state umbrella would be a lose-lose torture.

Three, four or five states will be a much happier solution.

Yuyutsu,
They can not live with each other & they can not live separated, they need each other as enemies because they have no concept of friendship & they cherish conflict. There can't be a solution because there is no answer to have a solution.
Madness & stupidity are indeed a dreadful combination. They'll never admit to being the cause themselves.

Dear Indyvidual,

Liberal Jews and liberal Arabs can live well together.
Conservative Arabs and conservative Jews lived together until the 1920's: it was not completely idyllic, but they managed.

Why not give it a chance?

Took a long time for him to wake up !

Israel acts like NAZI's, and the Palestinians are doomed.
Israel will keep starving and slaughtering men, women, kids and babies until there are none left, and no-one can do a thing about it.

Why not give it a chance?
Yuyutsu,
The time has come when any more such chances are a pathway to increase the dilemma rather than solve it.
The indoctrination processes have been in overdrive for too long & to give in again would not only be wrong, it'd be a green light for utter mayhem.
Gaza will be a backyard disagreement in comparison to what is in store for Europe and, if not careful, for Australia also.
As has been stated for a thousand years, islam will accept nothing less than the capitulation of the whole Western (White) societies.
Do you really think this to be achieved by being nice & friendly to the aspiring rulers ? Yes, too many Whites are stupid enough to think they can somehow evade this outcome by being stupid. The Westerners including many Whites will not stand for being under that yoke.
Use your imagination as to how this will play out.

https://youtu.be/uG2yKSlD1MU?si=2ADh9BDbqe00g8hs

Yuyutsu,
This link is one I posted on another thread a couple of days ago but here it is again in case you didn't get to watch it. Thus far no-one's commented on it & I sure would like to see your opinion of it.
Do you think Australian society would benefit were it to commence in the same manner here ?
We've had a few examples already in Sydney & Melbourne I believe. Have you heard what the general consensus is there ?
There are some rather interesting Youtube videos from all around Europe. Would you like to see these happenings here too or not ?

Dear Indyvidual,

While I was writing about Israel and what I think will happen there (which is the topic here and a topic I am more familiar with), you addressed me with a confusing message about Islam and the West, frankly half of which I could not understand and a topic I have not given much thought to.

As for the "youtube" clip you asked me to watch, what I saw was a hysteric woman warning us that the sky is about to fall.

Yes, this world has never been a safe place and one can always look at worst possible scenarios and panic. If I did that then I would go insane, so this lady ought to take some deep breaths and relax. I do trust in God, but that lady hasn't mentioned Him/Her/It in a word: when will she and the politicians learn that mankind cannot make it alone?!

While the world stands ideally by and allows the Zionist regime to commit mass gendercide and murder against the innocent Palestinian people, there will not be any two state solution. The aim of the Zionist is clear, completely destroy Gaza, and eradicate as many Palestinians as possible, creating a Pan-Israel in the regain in what was once Palestine.

Yuyutsu,
A perfect example of what's wrong with many people !

Paul1405,
A perfect example of what's wrong with many people !

Dear Paul,

While I am also outraged by what Israel's present regime (which for some reason you call "Zionist") does, sticking to facts, dotting the i's and crossing the t's can be more effective than emotional outbursts.

«While the world stands ideally by»

No, the world DOES NOT stand idly by.

«and allows the Zionist regime»

Each and every historical Israeli government, including the most dovish Labor governments which eagerly offered the local Arabs to form their own Palestinian state and signed the Oslo accords in preparation, including Sharon's government that forcibly removed all Jewish settlers from Gaza and part of the West Bank - they all considered themselves "Zionist".

The behaviour of Israel's present government does not resemble the spirit of original Zionism, which sought to share the land with the local Arab population as equal citizens.

«to commit mass gendercide and murder»

Only a section of Israel's government are truly evil and committed to genocide and murder - the rest just do not mind it.

«against the innocent Palestinian people,»

There are no Palestinian people.
As for their innocence, apart from their well-documented violence against innocent Israeli civilians for about a century, "Palestine" was a derogatory name coined by the Romans for the sole purpose of humiliating the defeated Judeans. Tried calling black people "Nig-gers"? If you wave a red cloth in front a bull, don't be surprised when its horns pierce your body.

Before Israel's creation, before Zionism, the local Arabs were under Ottoman rule and considered themselves Syrian. What is now Israel was then part of the Ottoman province of Syria.

«there will not be any two state solution.»

At present Trump will not allow it, but he won't be there forever.

«The aim of the Zionist is clear, completely destroy Gaza, and eradicate as many Palestinians as possible, creating a Pan-Israel in the regain in what was once Palestine.»

According to the surveys, only 12% of the Israelis aim for that.
Unfortunately, these 12% hold the balance of power as king-makers, blackmailing Israel's weak and criminal prime-minister who cannot afford to be left without them.

Hi Yuyutsu,

I use the word Zionist, a group of Jews whose original aim was to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible. The Netanyahu government is Zionist, with the same objectives as those of the original Zionist movement. I also want to differentiate between the war criminals of Netanyahu and the truly decent Israelis, who want peace, who don't want to murder their Palestinian brothers and sisters! I believe that is the vast majority of Israelis.

Dear Paul,

«I use the word Zionist, a group of Jews whose original aim was to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.»

Then you are re-defining an existing word.

You mentioned:
{a Jewish [1. state] [2. in Palestine] [3. with as much land], [4. as many Jews], and [5. as few Palestinian Arabs as possible]}

1. Zionism spoke of a Jewish HOME - a place where Jews can feel at home and not be persecuted as foreigners, especially as nationalism was rising in Europe and made Jews feel unwelcome. While most thought that a home must imply a state, not all Zionists did: one could still be a Zionist without aspiring for a state.

2. Zionism also attempted other locations such as Uganda and North-Western Australia. They failed, leaving no other viable option.

3. Zionism spoke of SUFFICIENT land so that Jews can become farmers again and earn their living respectfully and productively rather than from "air-jobs". Not of "as much".

4. Zionism sought to save as many Jews as possible from persecution. There was no intent originally to try and bring in other Jews who felt happy where they were. Some Zionists even spoke of the Jewish home as a spiritual-centre which would serve and link the rest of the Jews throughout the world.

5. Zionism welcomed the native Arab inhabitants of the land to join in its new project, with full equality and respect. This is evidenced in Herzl's book, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Old_New_Land : "The novel portrays a Jewish state where Jews and Arabs live together in harmony, reflecting Herzl's belief in the importance of coexistence and mutual respect between different communities"

Sounds like one or the other needs to go if real peace is desired !

Come on! Two states. Two hundred states. Nothing is going to stop the call for the state of Israel to be wiped of the map.

"...the truly decent Israelis, who want peace, who don't want to murder their Palestinian brothers and sisters! I believe that is the vast majority of Israelis."

You'd be wrong, probably count them on one hand.
The vest majority support ethnic cleansing, most of them 'by any means necessary'.

Dear Indyvidual,

«Sounds like one or the other needs to go if real peace is desired !»

The old story:
Farmer has a lamb, a dingo and a cabbage. He needs all three.
In his absence, the dingo would eat the lamb or the lamb would eat the cabbage.
He needs to cross the river, but his small boat can only carry himself with just one of his belongings.
What should he do?

As there are more than 2 sides to this Middle-Eastern conflict who would like to cut each other to pieces if they could, including the peaceful liberal Israelis, the peaceful ordinary local Arabs, the violent Messianic-Jewish settlers and their Nazi supporters, the Islamic Hamas, the corrupt PA, the independent Haredim, etc.: how many of them need to go?

The Middle-East has never enjoyed a moment of peace in all written history.

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Dear Ttbn,

«Come on! Two states. Two hundred states. Nothing is going to stop the call for the state of Israel to be wiped of the map.»

So? Let the dogs bark - as long as the Israelis are confident that their cause is just and their hands and conscience clean, what have they to worry about?

- But first of course, let this be made the case...

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Dear Critic,

«You'd be wrong, probably count them on one hand.
The vest majority support ethnic cleansing, most of them 'by any means necessary'.»

That is a blatant libel.
So blind in your hatred that you cannot even spell "vast" correctly.

A small minority favours ethnic cleansing.
And just about half the Israelis don't mind it, being too tired of everything, so long as it is not them who are being cleansed.
What they fail to realise is, that once the Messianic Jews will finish cleansing off the local Arabs, then it will be them, non-observant Jews considered "Messiah-Blockers", who will become their next target, where they will not be shown any more mercy than the Gazans today.

Hi AC,

"...the truly decent Israelis, who want peace, who don't want to murder their Palestinian brothers and sisters! I believe that is the vast majority of Israelis."

You'd be wrong, probably count them on one hand.
The vest majority support ethnic cleansing, most of them 'by any means necessary'.

Its not something I know as a fact, just hope that is the reality. I'm sure the Israeli population has been fed a huge amount of hate speak propaganda demonizing the ordinary Palestinians by the Zionist government, and their far right radical supporters. Just as Australians were told terrible things about the Vietnams during that war.

Dear Paul,

«I'm sure the Israeli population has been fed a huge amount of hate speak propaganda demonizing the ordinary Palestinians by the Zionist government, and their far right radical supporters. Just as Australians were told terrible things about the Vietnams during that war.»

While I have not been in Australia during the Vietnam war, thus I am in no position to tell about Australians, I can assure you that Israelis are no idiot suckers to propaganda.

For example, I have just commented today in Israeli mainstream media:
The article was about Netanyahu telling that Iran was about to have a nuclear bomb which it would undoubtedly immediately drop on Israel.

My comment said:
"Meanwhile, something fell on Israel that is even worse than an atomic bomb - its name is `Binyamin Netanyahu`"

- I received 50 thumbs up and 3 thumbs down for that little comment!

Hi Yuyutsu,

I believe democracy with its freedoms for ordinary people, free speech, the right to protest, the right to have a different opinion etc is just hanging on by the skin of its teeth in Israel today. The far right with its government of Netanyahu is doing everything possible to take those democratic rights away from the people. Just like in Australia, America etc there are those who want a radical right totalitarian regime in power. Trump has said he wants his administration to "test" democracy, what in bloody hell does that mean!

If the Israel - Iran conflict had've lasted another 12 days it would've been Israel itself that was dead and buried.

Apart from US handouts, is the country even economically viable at this point?
Hasn't everyone packed up and left yet?
I hope the Houthi's keep blowing up Israels shipping, as long as Israel keeps slaughtering women and kids.

I heard and U.S. citizen was bashed to death by settlers recently.
That's going to go down real well.

So terribly true, Paul.

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Dear Critic,

«I hope the Houthi's keep blowing up Israels shipping, as long as Israel keeps slaughtering women and kids.»

Why do you need excuses?

Own up to your pleasures and enjoy the double fun now, because there will be a very sad and bored you once the war in Gaza ends.
(Oh I forgot, there's still Ukraine...)

«Hasn't everyone packed up and left yet?»

Yes - and that is exactly how Netanyahu won the last Israeli elections!
Not a dull moment since, huh?

«I heard and U.S. citizen was bashed to death by settlers recently.»

Americans, bloody Americans, sigh - why do you care about their internal affairs?
They kill each other also in the streets of New York and Chicago
- wouldn't that be fun to watch as well?...

Dear Paul,

Confirming your last post, freshly on Israeli news just out a few minutes ago:

The Israeli Nazi party headed by Ben Gvir as "security minister" and Amihai Eliyahu as "heritage minister", is trying to place Israel's former prime-minister, Ehud Olmert, behind bars for speaking out and saying that the planned "Humanitarian Zone" in Gaza will be in effect a concentration camp.

At the time as prime-minister, Ehud Olmert was offering the occupied people a free Palestinian state on 97% of the West Bank, the whole of Gaza, a long tunnel connecting the two and an equivalent alternate area in place of the missing 3%. They sadly refused.

Israel is going to have the Syrian Sunni Jihadis attack Lebanese Shia and turn Lebanon into Syria (swallow it up and become a greater Syria), you know ISIS with the headloppers and women in cages and as sex slaves etc... but it's all for Israel, so we should be happy.

And the killing the Palestinians every day, is now normalised.
Move along nothing to see here.

Hi Yuyutsu,

Anyone looking objectively at what Israel is doing in Gaze, could not come to any other conclusion that its an organized policy of extermination and genocide of the Palestinian people. The convicted criminal Trump gave ongoing approval for that policy during the war criminal Netanyahu recent visit to Washington. With the hard right in power, and seeking to destroy what is left of democracy in Israel, a civil war there is not out of the question, although the military is firmly backing the far right government at the moment.

Dear Paul,

Israel was already on the verge of a civil war before October 7th, 2023:
Hamas prevented, or at least postponed it, believing that it was the best time to attack while Israel is divided within.
- for some decades, they remain the only glue which keeps Israel together!

But this morning we have good news:

The hard right may not remain in power for long.
About an hour and a half ago, they failed to expel an Arab member of Knesset (parliament) who spoke against the war and the military - they did not receive the necessary 90/120 privileged majority, only 73 against 15 (32 abstaining). So long, no member of the Knesset was ever successfully expelled in Israel's parliamentary history.

If nothing dramatically changes, the Haredi parties are leaving the coalition and government today, leaving it with no majority so fresh elections will be called for soon. They are leaving over Netanyahu's failure to renew the expired law which saved their children from being called up to the army so long as they were studying Torah, saying "We rather die and not be enlisted".

Netanyahu asked and reluctantly received from Trump a one-week extension to delay the Gaza cease-fire talks further until the Knesset goes into recess.

The IDF does not support this or that government, but only obeys orders, often reluctantly. The IDF consists of Israeli conscripts, equally from all walks of life (except the Haredim of which only a handful are enlisted and Muslim-Israelis who are not called for security reasons).
The IDF chief of staff actually made some careful understatements against the government policies: he is not allowed to say more, but he surely does not think like them.

Israel's well-loved president (who like Australia's monarchy holds only symbolic and moral powers, but also the power to pardon criminals) also spoke boldly against the government's policies.
He is still desperately trying his best to unify the people.
I doubt he will succeed.

"Hamas prevented, or at least postponed it, believing that it was the best time to attack while Israel is divided within.
- for some decades, they remain the only glue which keeps Israel together!"

Thanks to, Netanyahu funding Hamas.

Trump calls for end to Netanyahu corruption trial
http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyxg272nlyo

>>US President Donald Trump has called for Israel to "pardon" Benjamin Netanyahu, who is on trial for alleged corruption, or drop the case altogether.
He also claimed in a social media post that the US had saved Israel - alluding to its intervention in Israel's war with Iran - and would now also "save" Netanyahu.<<

Seems like 100 million in Jewish political donations for the US presidency buys a lot.
I think the US taxpaxers spent 100 million just on the Iranian airstrikes.
Should've left it another few weeks and let Iran level the place just like Gaza.

Those who organise violent rallies here in Australia in support of outfits overseas should be sent there to practise their ideological Rights !