"The plight of Palestinians is a monster made of their own hatred."
- I would not agree with that, it's victim blaming.

The plight of the Palestinians is a monster made of Israel failure to enter into fair and peaceful negotiations as well as a failure to state it's own borders, because they want the land Palestinians are on, and they seek it by hook or by crook.

How long ago was it that we saw those long lines of Gazans walking
back to Nth Gaza ?
They have now been sitting in the rubble under canvas for a couple
of weeks by now.
How do you think they will feel when it has been a couple of months ?
And no sign of anything been done to clean up and make safe ?
Hamas still opposing Trumps plan, and the months turning into a year.
Still no change, still under canvas and no sign of any change.

Talk of two states is stupid. It would require the Gazans to
surrender land that they claim as theirs to Jews.
It is forbidden.
Ever wonder why suburbs such as Lakemba become 100% moslem ?
They can only sell land to Moslems.

I would not agree with that, it's victim blaming.
Armchair Critic,
You literally sound like a guilty victim ! Fester is right, you are wrong by not doing what many have done over millennia. Accept defeat ! Unless you prefer perpetual war & for what exactly ?
The Palestinians who live in Israel don't share your views from what I see on many videos. Unlike you they know that peace comes through peace not perpetual war.
Time to call it a day !

Dear Critic,

«The plight of the Palestinians is a monster made of Israel failure to enter into fair and peaceful negotiations as well as a failure to state it's own borders,»

But Israel did just that - it entered into fair and peaceful negotiations where it stated its desired borders and allowing for further compromise.

When the so-called "Palestinians" saw that the Israelis were serious, they jumped into their cars and escaped in a convoy without notice.

It is the so-called "Palestinians" who do not want a state of their own. They won't take it even if you pay them!

«because they want the land Palestinians are on, and they seek it by hook or by crook.»

Today, sadly yes, Israel's present warmongering government does, but for several decades that was not the case.

Hi Fester
I think the reasons Kuwait’s Palestinians welcomed Iraq’s invasion are complicated. The PLO was favourably disposed to Iraq because it was one of the countries that invaded Israel and tried to destroy it in 1948. Saddam provided them with money and weapons (including a $25,000 bounty for suicide bombers), and they shared a Pan-Arabist ideology. The PLO supported Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990, as it had the Invasion of Iran in 1980. Many Kuwaiti Palestinians (not all) took their cue from the PLO.

As I understand it, they were – unusually for migrant groups – not particularly poor or exploited. This (very pro-Palestinian, but quite informative) website suggests that the Kuwait’s Palestinians included a disproportionate number of educated and professional people, and in the 1960s and 1970s they were becoming “… increasingly prosperous and influential both in the state itself, as well as beyond it”, but that tensions were emerging even before 1990.
http://badil.org/publications/al-majdal/issues/items/1355.html

I think another forcible relocation, as well as being probably illegal and certainly immoral, would only reinforce the hatred and sense of grievance of the Palestinians.

Hi Rhian,

Maybe not so complicated, but thank you for the link. Did you know that there were wealthy and educated South Africans of African and Asian heritage under apartheid? The problem wasn't so much about wealth as it was about empowerment. With the education comes an understanding of concepts like democracy and equality: Maybe that played a role or maybe it was the normal machinations of tribalism in the region. Palestinians in Australia supported the voice, so perhaps some prefer heritage based apartheid over the equality of a democracy. Palestinians have certainly demonstrated the preference with their long standing desire to wipe Israel from the map.

Hi AC,

I asked Foxy what military objective all the wars waged against Israel had in common. She said that they were waged in response to human rights abuses being committed by Israel, whereas I take the more conservative view that they were waged in accordance with President Nasser's words:

"The battle will be a general one and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel."

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/statement-by-president-nasser-to-arab-trade-unionists-may-1967

What is your take on the question?