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The questionable merit of Australia's official support for a two-state solution to the Palestine conflict : Comments

By Brendan O'Reilly, published 14/10/2024

In Israel, more than twice as many people now do not support the two-state solution as support it (64% vs. 27%, respectively). In the West Bank and East Jerusalem, enthusiasm for the two-state solution was equally as low.

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The Zionists are no longer maintaining the pretence of simply destroying Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon with unfortunate collateral damage to a few Palestinian civilians. The Zionists business model from the start has been one of "ethnic cleansing" and genocide of the Palestinian people. In true Nazi fashion the Zionists have unleashed an extermination program on all Palestinian men, women and children that Adolf Hitler would be proud of! Now they see fit to attack UN peace keepers in Lebanon in defiance of UNSC resolutions, whilst at the same time introducing mass starvation and disease by cutting off food and medical aid to millions of innocent people.

The World should now be asking Netanyahu, "Where are your gas chambers?"
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 16 October 2024 5:19:26 PM
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Dear Paul,

Who are those mysterious "Zionists" you were referring to?

Netanyahu and his gang are anything but Zionists - instead they ruin everything Zionism ever built.

As for gas chambers, Netanyahu is not interested in any final solution - because what he wants is a slow, never-ending war that will keep him indefinitely out of prison.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 16 October 2024 5:56:12 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,

Zionists are those far right nationalistic Jews hellbent on exterminating the Palestinian people. Not to be confused with ordinary Israeli people, who are also suffering because of this unjust war. You may not like the term "Zionist" but I use that in preference to "Israeli" as the Israeli people are not terrorist, no more than the ordinary Palestinian people are terrorists, but 42,000 Palestinians and 1200 Israelis have paid the ultimate price with their lives.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 17 October 2024 6:06:39 AM
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Hi Paul

Given the frequency of accusations of genocide in this conflict, “where are the gas chambers” is a pertinent question. But it is surely best addressed to those levelling the accusation. If Israel is indeed guilty of genocide, where are the gas chambers?

And the answer, of course, is that there are none. Israel has not imprisoned people in death camps and sent them to gas chambers. It has not systematically rounded up and machine-gunned men, women, and children as the Nazis did at Babi Yar.

Accusations of genocide against Israel are particularly grotesque, for several reasons.

First, if there is one party to the conflict that is committed unashamedly to genocide, it is Hamas. It wants to destroy Israel and kill its Jewish (and many other) citizens. Its violent, totalitarian, racist ideology has much in common with Nazism. Yet it is Israel that is branded “Nazi” by demonstrators.

Secondly, it draws moral equivalence between what Israel has done in Gaza and what Germany did in the holocaust. This simultaneously downplays the scale and horror of the holocaust, and implies that Israel is no better than Nazi Germany. For anyone with a passing acquaintance with history, the equivalence is monstrous.

But this serves a third purpose, to feed the ancient anti-Semitic trope that Jews’ claim to be victims of persecution are unwarranted. By this logic, they are in fact the bad guys. Depending on which period of history you pick they are the baby-eaters, the well-poisoners, the Christ-killers, or the usurers who control the banking system. This falsehood has the added bonus of de-legitimising Zionism, whose central tenet is that Jews need their own homeland to be safe.

The loss of life In Gaza is horrific. Israel has been accused of committing war crimes, and some of these accusations may prove true. But it is not intent on genocide – if it was, the death toll would be much, much higher.

Indeed, John Spencer, chair of Urban Warfare Studies at West Point, says that "Israel has done more to prevent civilian casualties in war than any military in history”.
Posted by Rhian, Friday, 18 October 2024 5:36:47 PM
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Dear Paul,

Thank you for your nice and consistent response, only you use the term "Zionist" in an unconventional manner. The original Zionists were positive and inclusive people, most of them were actually socialists and anything but "far right nationalistic Jews". Zionism used to have only good connotations - I think you do the the real Zionists injustice by supporting the evil people in Israel's government's false claim to their title.

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Dear Rhian,

Well said, you put it out beautifully!

Nevertheless, it should also be mentioned that while Israel as a whole is not genocidal and the IDF is as humane as any army can be, there are members of the Israeli government who are Nazis, who push the others in that direction and would have erected gas chambers if they could get away with it, whose primary motive is not Israel's security, but to cleanse the land of non-Jews in order to prevent Jews from mixing and marrying with them.

And then, there is a prime-minister of Israel, not genocidal himself, but who unashamedly partnered up with these Nazis in order to save his own skin and avoid prison.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 18 October 2024 6:24:36 PM
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Hi Rhian,

""Where are your gas chambers?"" is not a literal statement of fact, as there is no need for Zionist gas chambers, but it implies a Zionist plan of annihilation of the Palestinian people in an organised fashion. Genocide can be achieved in many ways over a long period of time. One could use starvation, disease, destruction of peoples environment. Then there are direct methods such as shooting, poisoning, over time one could introduce mass sterilisation as a control method, there are lots of ways to dispose of the unwanted. Turkey committed genocide against the Armenian people, and they didn't need to gas one victim, they simply marched them into the Syrian desert and left them to die "naturally".

"if there is one party to the conflict that is committed unashamedly to genocide, it is Hamas. It wants to destroy Israel." Agree, but it does not justify Zionist genocide at the same time.

Put it this way, which is the most dangerous snake, the Cobra, or the Rattle snake? The answer is simple; its the one that bites you. For Israelis its Hamas, for Palestinians its Zionists. You cannot murder 42,000 innocent people then claim you have no plan for their destruction.

"John Spencer, chair of Urban Warfare Studies at West Point, says that "Israel has done more to prevent civilian casualties in war than any military in history”. Really, West Point you say, a well established training ground for murderers. Good on Johnny!
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 18 October 2024 6:55:10 PM
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