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Biden & Security Council ploy sinks two-state solution : Comments

By David Singer, published 5/8/2024

The attempt by President Biden and the UN Security Council to adopt a specific two-state solution has turned out to be a political disaster.

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Dear Indyvidual,

«The Jews probably start to understand why they were targeted almost a Century ago themselves !»

Will you kindly enlighten us about the reason(s)?

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Dear Critic,

«When an innocent pensioner in England gets stabbed to death for no reason and the attacker says 'This is for Palestine!'»

That is not possible.

While we may not know the true reason(s) for the stabbing, nobody can ever suffer without having previously done something similar/equivalent to deserve it.

This stabber has no clue why they succeeded, thus that argument "for Palestine" is total nonsense which does not help "Palestinians" in any way whatsoever.

«and I will defend stateless people in their right to live in peace and dignity.»

So what makes YOU think that you know about their rights?
Is all their history revealed to you like an open book?
Had they earlier failed to live in peace and dignity themselves, then no wonder they will not enjoy peace and dignity this time around.

«besides the attacker themselves, how many people are indirectly at fault or had a hand in the situation developing?»

Just one, not even including the attacker - only the one attacked.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 5 August 2024 10:22:29 PM
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"That is not possible."
- It happened outside the Rotherham Hotel a few weeks back before the stabbing of kids at the Taylor Swift dance party in Southport, England prior to the recent unrest.

"So what makes YOU think that you know about their rights?
Is all their history revealed to you like an open book?"

- Everyone has a right to live in peace and dignity.
Both the Palestinians, and your Jewish family.

Though I'm not sure how this is possible right now.

What's the history of 2 year old kids blown to pieces by US bombs by Israel?
What was their crime, should they apologise to Israel for being born?
I'm sure I can probably find some images of decapitated children from bombed refugee tent camps in Gaza if you like?

Nobody is responsible for things that happened before they were born.

- You may see things differently.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 12:12:14 AM
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Dear Critic,

«It happened outside the Rotherham Hotel a few weeks back before the stabbing of kids at the Taylor Swift dance party in Southport, England prior to the recent unrest.»

No dispute over the fact that people were stabbed to death - what I claim to be impossible is that they were innocent. The claim that bad things can happen to good people is short-sighted and may lead to despair - it paints a picture of a chaotic world where anything just happens at random, whereas we live in a cosmos where the universe is governed by infallible laws, not only the well-known laws of physics for gross matter but also other laws governing thoughts and experiences.

«- Everyone has a right to live in peace and dignity.
Both the Palestinians, and your Jewish family.»

That is from a limited human perspective: we should indeed have that attitude, we ought to treat others with peace and dignity, yet we should do this for our own spiritual well-being, not because others necessary deserve it, which we cannot tell.

Suppose for example some Gazans are now suffering because in a previous life they were soldiers of Pol Pot inflicting horrible tortures on Cambodian families: we have no way to know that, but if despite trying we fail in our attempts to treat them with peace and dignity, then we can retrospectively deduce that they are being punished for their previous actions.

«What's the history of 2 year old kids blown to pieces by US bombs by Israel?
What was their crime»

This is beyond our capacity to know, so all we can say in this case is that there was a crime they commited. It could have been fighting for Pol Pot or the Myanmar military junta, it could have persecuting the Uighurs in China, or it could have been a bad case of domestic violence or perhaps drug and human trafficking. We don't know which of them, but some crime must be there.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 3:28:33 PM
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Will you kindly enlighten us about the reason(s)?
Yuyutsu,
Look at the parallels with 1930's Germany.
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 4:00:42 PM
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Dear Indivudual,

«Look at the parallels with 1930's Germany.»

What exactly did German Jews do to the Germans to deserve their persecution?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 4:08:04 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,

Lets say I accept your premise that reincarnation exists and that people sometimes must suffer for deeds done in a past life.

I think there's 2 ways we can look at this, not just one.

You think the pensioner and toddler may have done something bad in a past life;
Why would you look at it just one way?

'Bad things happen in next life because of bad things done in a previous life.'

Is what we see happening here

A/ Bad things done by Israelis for which they will be punished in the next life; or
B/ Bad things done by Palestinians in a past life for which they are now punished for in this life?

Is it A, B, or both?

Going with that line of thinking, one might say if you do bad things, you might come back in the next life as a Palestinian?

In any case I don't prescribe to this thinking, I just think all people should be able to live in peace and safety, and with respect decency and dignity.

Everybody has the right to live however they choose so long as it doesn't harm to others.

Don't you want a better world, where lives have value?
Or should we just accept things the way they are?
- Even when pensioners and toddlers are killed for no particular reason.

I still ask how many people had a hand in the mess coming to be?
And don't subjugated people have a right to live free and be happy with dignity as much as the next person?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 8:32:30 PM
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