mhaze,

I'm out!

post-truth mhaze,

My goodness, running to Federalist now? Okay.

But it was good of you to post a government website.

Here is another recently released.

"Real wages have risen since before the pandemic across the income distribution. In particular, middle-income and lower-income households have seen their real earnings rise especially fast. And in the past 12 months, real wages overall have grown faster than they did in the pre-pandemic expansion."
http://home.treasury.gov/news/featured-stories/the-purchasing-power-of-american-households

In truth both presidents would struggle to claim full credit for the rise in lower income wage increases since much of it can be landed at the feet of the States who aggressively increased minimum wage levels through both of their terms.

In terms of Black wages you have supplied an opinion piece by the head of the Independent Women's Forum (founded as "conservative alternative to feminist tenets" - Wikipedia).

If you go to the Brookings Institute link in the article you will find things aren't as good for Trump's record as you would make out.
http://www.brookings.edu/articles/black-household-income-is-rising-across-the-united-states/

It says "that the distribution of income in the United States is the most uneven it’s been since the Bureau began tracking it in 1967".

And while acknowledging Black wages had increased the supplied graph showed how much that increased had slowed compared to it under Obama and that the "level only slightly exceeded that (and was statistically unchanged) from 2017."

Again we would need to tease out how much was due to minimum wage rises by the States which would disproportionally raise Black wages.

SR,

Enough of a gap since your "federal debt" screw up to re-join? OK, and I promise to not mention that you utterly got the Federal debt numbers laughably wrong and then used data that had nought to do with Federal Debt to try to justify the innumeracy. We'll keep it between us, shall we?

I said "Equally, unemployment for blacks reached the lowest level ever recorded and that of Hispanics was close to historic low levels." Thanks for providing further links to support that fact. I wasn't talking about wages or 'buying power' but I can see why you'd want to change to that given how nebulous those numbers are and how easily they can be distorted or misunderstood, which is your stock in trade.

Banjo

"Tell me, if Trump wanted to turn the US polity into "Putin’s Russia, Xi’s China or Kim’s North Korea" why didn't he do it in his first term?"

Gunna comment on your hyperbole

post-truth mhaze,

What on earth are you jabbering on about now? I've looked at my original post and the link I provided.

It clearly states: "The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion."

You seem to be claiming I got the numbers wrong which is utterly inane and churlish. If you want to make the case factcheck.org got them wrong then you are free to state your case but don't be doing insipid little jigs in front of us when you have absolutely no basis to do so.

Anyway it really is your normal way of doing things isn't it. I go and tear your assertions a new one and show how partisan and lightweight they are and your first reaction is to go on a baseless rant.

But this from you is telling: "I said "Equally, unemployment for blacks reached the lowest level ever recorded and that of Hispanics was close to historic low levels." Thanks for providing further links to support that fact."

Your blinkered partisan position on Trump is so ingrained you see imaginary things in links to support your world view.

There was absolutely nothing in the links I provided speak specifically to the Trump era.

"What accounts for this progress in Black incomes? One likely factor is increased employment opportunity. The share of prime-age (25- to 54-year-old) Black adults in jobs increased significantly in 38 of the 50 metro areas from 2013 to 2018."

Obama's second term started in January 2013. As the graph shows the vast majority of the increases in Black's income occurred in that term.

It really does show how infected by Trump Delusional Syndrome you really are. Please try and do better.

!. Your original post where you got the numbers so wrong was in response to Graham article so you didn't tear my assertions to shreds but tried in your own inept fashion to show Graham was wrong.

2. The numbers you quoted from your link weren't Federal Debt. They were Debt to the Penny numbers. You misunderstood your own source. I provided you with a proper source and it went over your head.

3. You keep wanting to talk about black wages to prove me wrong when I only mentioned black employment. Your links confirmed my point hence your attempt to change the goalposts.

Any chance that you'll address the main issue here or are you determined to remain mired in inconsequential minutiae?

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Dear mhaze,

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Thanks for providing your source information.

If you don’t mind my saying so, it’s a bit of a mixed bag :

1. “the Federalist” doesn’t appear to be very recommendable with its track record of disinformation and misinformation :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_(website)

2. Patrice Onwuka appears to be a hard-nosed conservative, but worthy of admiration given her modest origins and personal history.

3. As for the US Census Bureau’s Poverty Report, I see you posted the 2019 Report. Here is the 2022 Report (which was published in September 2023) :

http://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-280.pdf

It indicates that the official poverty rate for Black individuals decreased between 2021 and 2022. The 2022 rate (during Biden’s presidency) was the lowest on record. Official poverty rates increased between 2021 and 2022 for the White and non-Hispanic White populations. Poverty rates were not statistically different for the Asian, American Indian and Alaska Native, Two or More Races, or Hispanic (any race) populations.

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