Dear Bezza,

Please define "peace".

Well, it is a bit like;
"How long is a piece of string ?"
At one end would be at a minimum an absence of war.
At the other would be a close trading, business, cultural, and
and relations like Australia and New Zealand.

Anything inside those parameters would be a gain for everybody.
Why do I sense you are laying a trap for me ?

Dear Bezza,

«At one end would be at a minimum an absence of war.»

That is called a "cease fire".
Australia has it with China.

«At the other would be a close trading, business, cultural, and
and relations like Australia and New Zealand.»

This too Australia has with China.

Israel had both with the occupied territories, between 1967 and the late 1970's, which could become a reality again, provided Israel remains strong.

But the moment Australia is perceived to be weak/unsupported, China will attack.
And as soon as Israel is perceived to be weak, the Arabs will attack it, regardless of any formal peace documents, which are therefore unnecessary.

On the 6th of October Israel was very weak from within (due to Netanyahu's government attempting to dismantle its democracy, which in turn was to curtail any opposition to their desire to hold onto the West Bank), which is why Hamas attacked then. No doubt it will attack again when Israel is weak again, the only question being whether it will be in 5, 10, 20, 50 or 100 years hence.

It is the same in nature - when an animal is young, old, ill or weak for any other reason, then it is when predators attack it.

Israel must stay alert and armed to its teeth indefinitely, regard of any "peace" papers.

This "peace" that you talk about it relative, it is not a real peace, it is based on circumstances and practical interests and when these change, it will be broken.

The main interest of Hamas is to keep liberal "threats" out which could tempt their masses to forsake the clerical elite and emancipate their women. It doesn't mind Jews as such, only that most Israelis are liberal. It doesn't mind for example ultra-orthodox Jews because they are as conservative as themselves so they don't pose a threat to them. When it encounters liberal threats among its own Muslim population, it throws them off the roofs of tall buildings.

The only real peace can be found within.
Only this inner peace cannot be shaken by circumstances and interests.

Yuyutsu,
You misunderstand my peace implies good faith.
However because of the Koran there can be no peace in good faith.
Any agreement with moslems can only be a cease fire of uncertain length.
After all they have made it clear, we must accept Islam, pay the Jizaz
or expect to be killed.
Any peace they agree to is only until they are able force compliance.
That is why Europe is in such danger due to immigration, no accident.
After Eurabia whose next ? The US and Australia ?

Dear Bezza,

«You misunderstand my peace implies good faith.»

So are you modifying your definition (because yours from Thursday did not require good faith)?

«However because of the Koran there can be no peace in good faith.»

Why, the Quran can be read and interpreted in many different ways, and in any case, even if that was the only possible interpretation, nobody has to follow the Quran, only if they want to!

«Any agreement with moslems can only be a cease fire of uncertain length.»

Correct, but that is the case with any agreement with anyone, not just Muslims.
The only thing that is certain in life not to change, is change itself.

«That is why Europe is in such danger due to immigration, no accident.
After Eurabia whose next ? The US and Australia ?»

Why "danger"?
Death is a certainty for all that was born.
Make the best of the life you have now, knowing that it is bound to end one day.