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Rejecting HKOPS sees world unleash a monster : Comments
By David Singer, published 10/10/2023HKOPS offered a new approach – the merger of Jordan, Gaza and part of Judea and Samaria (West Bank) into one territorial entity to be governed by the Hashemites.
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Posted by Bezza, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 9:06:29 AM
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I've seen Twitter posts claiming that Saudi Arabia has ended all negotiations or normalisation with Israel, but I've not yet seen any evidence of official reports of the same.
There does seem to be a significant amount of info being shared on Twitter right now, and there's a good possibility some of it is misinformation as well as disinformation. http://twitter.com/vanessa_p_831/status/1711329066807414940 A horrible thought occurred to me. That the events of the last few days happened specifically to put an end to these normalisation discussions, as well as David Singers HKOPS. I'm not saying that's what happened; - But the thought has occurred to me. In any case I've seen numerous reports of ex Israeli Defence Forces working in intelligence saying its impossible that this could happen. That not even a cockroach can get near the fence without them knowing about it. I've heard reports that Israel and Egypt both warned Israel. How do a dozen motorised gliders fly stright in without being taken down by the Iron Dome defence system? Why were these people allowed to run amok for hours without Israeli forces intervening? How does IDF inc. Mossad, MI6 and US agencies all knew nothing? I can't help thinking this attack was known about in advance and allowed to happen. And I've seen reports of IDF shooting surrendering Palestinians in the back and laying guns next to them to stage the situation as being hostilities with Hamas. I've also seen dead babies and kids being dragged out from under the rubble. Hostages? these people have been held hostage by Israel for 75 years. I've also heard of 200+ page documents detailing Zionist massacres taken place over the years. That said, I most certainly do not support the harm of any innocent civilians on either side. And if anyone want's to challenge me on it, I'll provide the links and it might be more than what you bargain for. Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 9:51:01 AM
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Dear Bezza,
«The whole mess can be laid at the feet of Mohammad. He sent his Arab Islamic armies into Mesopotamia to either convert them to Islam or kill them. Where have all the Christians gone ?» According to a new research by Professor Yigal Bin Nun, an historian and biblical scholar who teaches in Paris and Israel, the Quran was in fact written by a Christian person as a thesis against the prevalent church dogma, so in a way, Islam is just an early form of Christian Protestantism. As for Mohammad (peace be upon him), the research indicates that he actually was a Syrian merchant who had nothing to do with Islam and conversions: the Quran was written at least 160 years after his death! What have you possibly got against this innocent person? «The Jews after being displaced first by Romans in the time of Christ and then again by Arabs 700 years later» The Jews were never displaced from Israel by the Romans - only from the capital, Jerusalem. Some of them later migrated for economic reasons while others remained to farm their land. Of those remaining, most (other than just one family in the village of Pekiin), gradually converted into Islam over the centuries in order to avoid the Jizya tax on non-Muslims. Many of the so-called "Palestinians" are actually these Jews who never left their country. Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 12:41:28 PM
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Yuyutsu,
What you have reported may well be true to the enth degree however what we have in the present is claims of entitlement to resulting in conduct not fit for those claiming to be human. If you believe you have been robbed, much the same belief when you follow or commit to a religious doctrine, you seek justice. When your home is denied you through a political process of which you had no say you are not going to walk away and say that's that. When your dignity as a human being is also denied you there is nothing left no matter what faith or creed governs your conduct. When you reduce an individuals view of themself to the level of meaningless you don't end up with someone able to contribute positively to society. Personally I don't give a flying F about religion, Gods, Prophets and whatever. However any concept that representing hope is essential to the majority on the planet seeking emotional well being. In humanity there is also right and wrong which seems to be continually redefined in political circles to suit profit. Everyone knows that where there is gain, loss also resides. More is spent on defending and justifying wrong than implementing right. The situation in Israel is an inevitable outcome. Posted by Special Delivery, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 2:47:48 PM
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Dear Delivery,
You mentioned so many things at once that I am afraid I could not get your point, thus I can only comment on sporadic individual statements: «When your home is denied you through a political process of which you had no say you are not going to walk away and say that's that.» This happens often in Australia: government may want to build a road where your home is and there is nothing you can do about it. «When your dignity as a human being is also denied you there is nothing left no matter what faith or creed governs your conduct.» If due to lack of faith one considers themselves to be a human being then indeed their dignity is fragile, but if you truly have faith, nothing others do can take away your dignity. «When you reduce an individuals view of themself to the level of meaningless you don't end up with someone able to contribute positively to society.» Ditto, but how can anyone possibly reduce someone else's view of themselves? They can perhaps take away all of one's possessions, they could also hurt their body, but they have no control of anyone else's views. «However any concept that representing hope is essential to the majority on the planet seeking emotional well being.» If one's concept of emotional well being depends on hurting others, then even if they achieve their physical objectives they would not recover their emotional well being. «In humanity there is also right and wrong which seems to be continually redefined in political circles to suit profit.» Right and wrong cannot be redefined, but then you already used the word "seems". «Everyone knows that where there is gain, loss also resides.» Sadly many do not know it. Also, where there is loss, gain also resides. «More is spent on defending and justifying wrong than implementing right.» Welcome to planet earth... Welcome also to this era we are in, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga «The situation in Israel is an inevitable outcome.» Of its 1967 occupation. Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 3:48:20 PM
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Don't worry about roads in Australia, take the whole of what I said and relate it to the situation and state of mind in Palestine
Posted by Special Delivery, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 5:54:58 PM
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He sent his Arab Islamic armies into Mesopotamia to either convert
them to Islam or kill them. Where have all the Christians gone ?
There is a belief in Islam that land once occupied by moslems remains
Islamic land forever. That is why the Islamists claim the whole
area that was occupied by the Arab armies including India & Nth Africa.
The Jews after being displaced first by Romans in the time of Christ
and then again by Arabs 700 years later and suffering the Russian
revolution and the pogroms of eastern Europe they came back to the
area they call Israel. There were still numbers of Jews still there.
The Arabs in that area call them Occupiers.
However the Koran has verses that advocate the killing of Jews and to
deny those verses is blasphemy.
That is where we came in thinking we can help solve the problem
assuming it is a logical problem rather than a problem of the Koran.