I guess that when the terrorist state of israel ceases invading and stealing Palestian lands and killing the rightful owners you may be taken seriously.
Meanwhile keep searching fruitlessly for the title deeds that your god buried in the desert somewhere.
Hint: you probably won`t find them as they probably don`t exist.

'you probably won`t find them as they probably don`t exist.'

That's two 'probably's which translates into a bet either way.
So how about I say, 'they don't exist for anyone at anytime', nice clean, crisp and concise.

Ok pedant......
You are (probably) correct. Just emphasising the uncertainty of the whole ridiculous situation.

"Saudi Crown Prince and Prime Minister Mohammed Bin Salman (MBS) and Israel's Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu have given their clearest indication to date that current talks between them to normalise relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel could include their reaching agreement on the terms to successfully implement the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution (HKOPS)."

Netanyahu Bears Responsibility for This Israel-Gaza War
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2023-10-08/ty-article-opinion/netanyahu-bears-responsibility/0000018b-0b9d-d8fc-adff-6bfd1c880000

"This also included a massive expansion of settlements and bolstering of the Jewish presence on the temple mount, near the Al-Aqsa Mosque, as well as boasts of an impending peace deal with the Saudi's in which the Palestinians WOULD GET NOTHING, with open talk of a "Second Nakba" in his governing coalition. As expected, signs of an outbreak of hostilities began in the West Bank, where Palestinians started feeling the heavier hand of the Israeli occupier. Hamas exploited the opportunity in order to launch its surprise attack on Saturday."

WOULD GET NOTHING

Maybe that's why you're the only person on the planet promoting it.
You want them to pack up and move, why don't they pack up and move.
Maybe it's completely unrealistic David.

You've got one side saying the land is ours because Snow White gave it to us, and the other side is running around screaming "Allah Akbar", obviously Snow White been talking to them too.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

"You want them to pack up and move, why don't they pack up and move."

Correction:

'You want them to pack up and move, why doesn't your lot pack up and move?'

Dead Ateday,

«Meanwhile keep searching fruitlessly for the title deeds that your god buried in the desert»

The only god a robot has, is its programmer.

That AI robot which authors these weekly "articles" promotes a scheme that would destroy Israel. If you hate Israel that much as you seem, then you should be supporting that robot and its nasty HKOPS scheme!

Dear YuYu,
Far from it I do not hate israel. Netanyahu leaves a bit to be desired though. However why do they want to inflict on the Palestinians what they went through in WWII. Like russia does they have no right to invade and displace another peoples.
Buried title deeds or not.

Dear Ateday,

Netanyahu indeed leaves much to be desired.

«However why do they want to inflict on the Palestinians what they went through in WWII.»

"THEY" is a very dangerous word.

I wouldn't know the exact percentage, possibly 1%, possibly 3% of Israelis are Nazis that want to inflict what the Nazis did to Jews in WWII. Unfortunately, some of them are presently in government. And again, what these Nazis want to inflict is not what THEY went through because THEY were not even born in the second world war and have not felt any of that with their own flesh.

It is not proper of you to generalise, stereotype and tarnish Israelis like this. The absolute vast majority of them are not at all like that.

About these "deeds", you are just being childish: all heaven and earth are God's so no people truly own any land.

'The absolute vast majority of them are not at all like that.'

Who is the 'absolute vast majority of them?
Those who were trained from an early age on a daily dose of the Holocaust?
You don't get a security apparatus trained to kill indiscriminately without many years of preconditioning.

The reality is that Israelis are taught by their elders and parents that the only good Palestinian is a dead one.
Much the same as how the US viewed the indigenous American Indian population it managed to eradicate.
The considerations the world powers bestowed on the Jewish people in atonement of their so called 'ignorance', and in light of their suffering, was the right for the Jewish people to imitate the Nazis in redeveloping the and furthering the oven concept of extermination and eradication.
An open air prison! To kill as you pleased with no recrimination.
Thuggery

The way you tell it 'everyone was just walking past when it happened'
'We had no idea'.
That's what everyone about said about the Nazi Jewish solution of WW11.
This is what you have to offer the Arabs for normalization?

Dear YuYu,
"They" is a collectic word with a wide meaning as I am sure you realise.
I am glad you have your opinions, you are indeed entitled to them as is everybody. However I do not believe in an hypothetical imaginary entity who owns this Universe. I believe in science which, generally, can be proven. Remember that no one, as yet, has come back to tell us what is on the "other side". You do believe that which is good for you which is quite ok.
BUT our Benjamin was elected by the "vast majority". If israel is a democracy, which it purports to be, then the "vast Majority", or majority at least, supports him and his philosophies.
So the real terrorist state is israel.

Hi ateday,

Democracy is a feces sandwich.
- The only choice you get is which half of that sandwich you prefer.

My take on this is simple, I don't want to eat any of that sandwich.

Dear Ateday,

«However I do not believe in an hypothetical imaginary entity who owns this Universe.»

God is not an entity, but should I start explaining this to you, that would run deep and be a major diversion away from the topic, so please allow me to remain on the topic, where my point was that no one truly owns any land. And yes, this is true for Australia as well.

«I believe in science which, generally, can be proven.»

Do you believe in 20-21st-century science or in the mechanistic science of the 18th century? Latest relativity and quantum physics prove that there is so much more to the universe than what meets the eye, and even space and time are nothing like the our naive linear three-dimensional Euclidean perception.

«BUT our Benjamin was elected by the "vast majority".»

He was elected by a very thin majority for various internal reasons (which I could explain if needed) rather than for any philosophy of his. In fact he has no philosophy, or rather, his only philosophy is to avoid jail time for himself and his family. Actually, Benjamin is considered a moderating factor within his extremist coalition government which he had to put up with only because the others refuse to join a government headed by a criminal and a chronic liar.

«So the real terrorist state is israel.»

Every state is a terrorist by definition because it terrorises its people into submission.
Hamas is no better, especially when throwing their political opponents off the roofs of tall buildings.

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Dear Delivery,

«The reality is that Israelis are taught by their elders and parents that the only good Palestinian is a dead one.»

Then why was Arafat been offered by Israel an independent state over 97% of the West Bank, the whole of Gaza and other land in exchange for the missing 3%?
(an offer he refused)

You don't make such offers to people you want dead.

The whole mess can be laid at the feet of Mohammad.
He sent his Arab Islamic armies into Mesopotamia to either convert
them to Islam or kill them. Where have all the Christians gone ?
There is a belief in Islam that land once occupied by moslems remains
Islamic land forever. That is why the Islamists claim the whole
area that was occupied by the Arab armies including India & Nth Africa.
The Jews after being displaced first by Romans in the time of Christ
and then again by Arabs 700 years later and suffering the Russian
revolution and the pogroms of eastern Europe they came back to the
area they call Israel. There were still numbers of Jews still there.
The Arabs in that area call them Occupiers.
However the Koran has verses that advocate the killing of Jews and to
deny those verses is blasphemy.
That is where we came in thinking we can help solve the problem
assuming it is a logical problem rather than a problem of the Koran.

I've seen Twitter posts claiming that Saudi Arabia has ended all negotiations or normalisation with Israel, but I've not yet seen any evidence of official reports of the same.
There does seem to be a significant amount of info being shared on Twitter right now, and there's a good possibility some of it is misinformation as well as disinformation.

http://twitter.com/vanessa_p_831/status/1711329066807414940

A horrible thought occurred to me.
That the events of the last few days happened specifically to put an end to these normalisation discussions, as well as David Singers HKOPS.

I'm not saying that's what happened;
- But the thought has occurred to me.

In any case I've seen numerous reports of ex Israeli Defence Forces working in intelligence saying its impossible that this could happen.
That not even a cockroach can get near the fence without them knowing about it.
I've heard reports that Israel and Egypt both warned Israel.
How do a dozen motorised gliders fly stright in without being taken down by the Iron Dome defence system?
Why were these people allowed to run amok for hours without Israeli forces intervening?
How does IDF inc. Mossad, MI6 and US agencies all knew nothing?

I can't help thinking this attack was known about in advance and allowed to happen.

And I've seen reports of IDF shooting surrendering Palestinians in the back and laying guns next to them to stage the situation as being hostilities with Hamas.

I've also seen dead babies and kids being dragged out from under the rubble.

Hostages? these people have been held hostage by Israel for 75 years.
I've also heard of 200+ page documents detailing Zionist massacres taken place over the years.

That said, I most certainly do not support the harm of any innocent civilians on either side.

And if anyone want's to challenge me on it, I'll provide the links and it might be more than what you bargain for.

Dear Bezza,

«The whole mess can be laid at the feet of Mohammad.
He sent his Arab Islamic armies into Mesopotamia to either convert
them to Islam or kill them. Where have all the Christians gone ?»

According to a new research by Professor Yigal Bin Nun, an historian and biblical scholar who teaches in Paris and Israel, the Quran was in fact written by a Christian person as a thesis against the prevalent church dogma, so in a way, Islam is just an early form of Christian Protestantism.

As for Mohammad (peace be upon him), the research indicates that he actually was a Syrian merchant who had nothing to do with Islam and conversions: the Quran was written at least 160 years after his death!

What have you possibly got against this innocent person?

«The Jews after being displaced first by Romans in the time of Christ
and then again by Arabs 700 years later»

The Jews were never displaced from Israel by the Romans - only from the capital, Jerusalem. Some of them later migrated for economic reasons while others remained to farm their land. Of those remaining, most (other than just one family in the village of Pekiin), gradually converted into Islam over the centuries in order to avoid the Jizya tax on non-Muslims. Many of the so-called "Palestinians" are actually these Jews who never left their country.

Yuyutsu,

What you have reported may well be true to the enth degree however what we have in the present is claims of entitlement to resulting in conduct not fit for those claiming to be human.
If you believe you have been robbed, much the same belief when you follow or commit to a religious doctrine, you seek justice.
When your home is denied you through a political process of which you had no say you are not going to walk away and say that's that.
When your dignity as a human being is also denied you there is nothing left no matter what faith or creed governs your conduct.
When you reduce an individuals view of themself to the level of meaningless you don't end up with someone able to contribute positively to society.
Personally I don't give a flying F about religion, Gods, Prophets and whatever.
However any concept that representing hope is essential to the majority on the planet seeking emotional well being.
In humanity there is also right and wrong which seems to be continually redefined in political circles to suit profit.
Everyone knows that where there is gain, loss also resides.
More is spent on defending and justifying wrong than implementing right.
The situation in Israel is an inevitable outcome.

Dear Delivery,

You mentioned so many things at once that I am afraid I could not get your point, thus I can only comment on sporadic individual statements:

«When your home is denied you through a political process of which you had no say you are not going to walk away and say that's that.»

This happens often in Australia: government may want to build a road where your home is and there is nothing you can do about it.

«When your dignity as a human being is also denied you there is nothing left no matter what faith or creed governs your conduct.»

If due to lack of faith one considers themselves to be a human being then indeed their dignity is fragile, but if you truly have faith, nothing others do can take away your dignity.

«When you reduce an individuals view of themself to the level of meaningless you don't end up with someone able to contribute positively to society.»

Ditto, but how can anyone possibly reduce someone else's view of themselves? They can perhaps take away all of one's possessions, they could also hurt their body, but they have no control of anyone else's views.

«However any concept that representing hope is essential to the majority on the planet seeking emotional well being.»

If one's concept of emotional well being depends on hurting others, then even if they achieve their physical objectives they would not recover their emotional well being.

«In humanity there is also right and wrong which seems to be continually redefined in political circles to suit profit.»

Right and wrong cannot be redefined, but then you already used the word "seems".

«Everyone knows that where there is gain, loss also resides.»

Sadly many do not know it.
Also, where there is loss, gain also resides.

«More is spent on defending and justifying wrong than implementing right.»

Welcome to planet earth...
Welcome also to this era we are in, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga

«The situation in Israel is an inevitable outcome.»

Of its 1967 occupation.

Don't worry about roads in Australia, take the whole of what I said and relate it to the situation and state of mind in Palestine

Dear Delivery,

«take the whole of what I said and relate it to the situation and state of mind in Palestine»

Oh, you were talking about prophets, being human, religious doctrines, emotional well-being, politicians seeking profit, etc. etc. - am I supposed to read your mind?

The situation and state of mind in Gaza?

Well they are awful, both.

What to do? They cooked it and now they eat their stew: actions have consequences.

Are you aware how many Arab Israeli citizens were also murdered by these savage Gazans in Arab towns and villages? Muslim Arabs who were supposed to be their brothers? Here is a partial list:

* Yazan Zecharia abu Jamaah, 5yo boy from Ararah
* Fatimah Altlakat, 34yo woman from Ararah
* Malik Ibrahim Alkraan, 14yo boy from Albat
* Jawad Ibrahim Alkraan, 15yo boy from Albat
* Amin Akel Alkraan, 11yo boy from Albat
* Muhammad Dhib Alkraan, 12yo boy from Albat
* Faiza Abu Sbeich, 57yo woman from Albat Kuchla
* Mai Zuhir Abu Subeich, 13yo girl from Albat Kuchla
* Daliah Abu Madiam, 30yo woman from Rahat

They even executed dogs and cats.

Instead they could have had it all, at least almost all they asked for, whatever was realistic - while Israel was governed by the Israeli peace camp they received very generous offers, they could now be independent in a flourishing state of their own, no occupation, no blockades - but they chose terror and war instead and thus undermined the sympathetic Israeli peace camp to the extent that many sensitive Israelis had to leave the country, leaving Israel at the hands of zealous Messianic and nationalistic bullies, some of which I don't hesitate to call Nazis.

Sorry for Gazan civilians, but my own family comes first, even if that means that all Gazans must die. If you can tell me of a way the Gazans can remain alive and happy while my family too stays safe and can live their normal lives without fear and interruption, then please do and you will surely win a peace noble price for that.