How stupid can people get with this climate nonsense. Whatever the climate does, humans have no say in it. All these busybodies are doing is causing hardship for everyone who is not rich enough to pay for power price increases, loss of jobs to China, and restrictions on their freedoms.

"climate change impacts". An 'impact' is something that happens when you get hit by a bus. More manipulation of language here to make a natural thing like climate change seem dramatic and scary. A load of tosh, in other words.

The 'independent' Senator, who is certainly independent of common-sense and reality, is just another example of how really stupid people can be elected to the Senate.

39 dead in bushfires in Hawaii of all places continues from those which recently engulfed parts of Europe with such ferocity, and yet the slack jawed, glazed eyed, weak willed, and wilfully ignorant continue with their petty denialism.

Senator Pocock is the type of person who makes one realise that politicians can be the best of us. Every strength to his arm.

"Whatever the climate does, humans have no say in it."
This may well be correct as the Earth is a dynamic system and undergoes change continually.
However we do not do ourselves any favours by consuming fossil fuels and continually polluting our ONLY atmosphere.
We maybe not be changing the climate but we are exacerbating its affects.
SteeleR is quite correct.

Who is 'denying' that there are bushfires in Hawaii and all the rest of the rant? But, as I have said this week, I don't argue with stupid people who emerge from their caves to pathetically cancel the opinions of others because their own opinions don't hold water.

He is but one man and however well intentioned, his bill will be a paper tiger the fossil fuel industry and its servant the labor party/head buriers will ignore or bypass.

As it is clear they have no intention to transition to anything else as base load power, anytime soon! Their still singular focus is retaining power and who they must appease (the gormless greens) to achieve that outcome.

The national best outcome and climate change won't be addressed by continuing to power the economy with prohibitively expensive coal, or even more prohibitively expensive battery backed renewables.

It is as clear as the nose on your face, the only real option to address climate change without tanking the economy, is (carbon free) nuclear power.

And that nuclear power needs to be homegrown MSR thorium which we own, control and independently operate! No two ways about that!
Alan B.

Ttbn, if the absolutely irrefutable climate change evidence, challenges your moribund moronic calcified brain's apathetic belief system, then junk the evidence, why dontcha! Head burier!

Sargent Shultz's syndrome ttbn?
Alan B.

Alan

I was going to compliment you on your response - even though we are on opposite sides on this subject - but I don’t suppose you are interested in someone who has a ".. moribund moronic calcified brain's apathetic belief system" who should bury his head.

This section of OLO, unlike the Forum, receives outside opinions; and plebeian posters like us, generally, respond with reasonable politeness.

It is disappointing that the bar-room brawler tactics have arrived here, in the form of SteeleRedux, and that you, Alan, have copied him.

Further, the 'evidence' of man made (CO2) climate change is NOT "irrefutable". It is refuted by many scientists, many of whom have been cancelled, and by a great many intelligent lay people.

Less intelligent people have fallen for the slogan that 'a consensus of 97% scientists' should have the last say. Well, consensus is not science; and 97% of scientists agree with whoever funds them.

Remember: the contributors to OLO are just expressing opinions like the rest of us, even when they are qualified in a particular area. You will note that Gwynn MacCarrick is a lawyer, who is no more qualified in climate science than you are.

Next time you take your nasty pills, ask the particular contributor how he or she came up with the stuff that they preach as gospel; don't waste time and words on the genuinely educated and sincere beliefs of people who are not confined to the legacy media, Google and Wikipedia for their information because they have the means and the intelligence to seek out other sources.

Hello attaday and Alan B.

Well said attaday.

Regardless of anyone's opinion on climate change we need to be address consumption.

Alan B. - I enjoy your input regarding nuclear energy. It appears to me that the argument about nuclear energy was side-tracked by competing factions in the 1970s.

Some could not imagine a world with any nuclear power because the only options being pushed did not include MSR thorium. Others had a vested interest in different technology.

Did China recently add MSR thorium to their energy supply?

"we need to be address consumption."
And POPULATION growth...worldwide, not just OZ.
We are the consumers, without home sapiens there would be no consumption to take it to the final end (which is probably where we are heading.). A sustainable population will result in a sustainable balance one hopes.

Obviously Pocock got a few too many hard hits to the head on the rugby field.

I wonder what caused SRs & Pauls problems.

There is absolutely no need to do anything about climate change, nor can we do anything about it. All we an do - or rather, have done to us - is get less competitive with manufacturing countries not as stupid as our politicians and many of our voters are, pay more for our domestic electricity, and watch our environment and farmland destroyed by Blackout Bowen's windmills and solar panels, all making China richer as they produce the things with coal-fired power. And, of course, cringe at low-information Australians agreeing with all the twaddle, and repeating the same twaddle - that they don't even understand - here and elsewhere.

The biggest threat from stupid people is that they think that they are smart.

"How stupid can people get with this climate nonsense" ttbn, the deniers despite the overwhelming evidence that climate change is real are pretty stupid. Like the flat earth folks, they are mostly the ill-informed from the far right of politics. We have several on this very forum. "how really stupid people can be elected to the Senate", got to agree with that one, The Lovely Pauline is a Senator, and when it comes to stupid she's up there with the wackiest of em'.

Can`t disagree with your view of Pauline......

Dear Hasbeen,

How's it going old cock? Good?

You say: "Obviously Pocock got a few too many hard hits to the head on the rugby field."

And obviously he had a bit of sense knocked into him, something you are sorely lacking.

Are you really going to your grave steadfastly denying a warming planet when the evidence is so stark? Yes probably. Bugger the younger generation, you have had a good time of it. No skin off your nose.

Not our problem but pity about your grandkids........

"Bugger the younger generation"

Our governments already buggered them good and proper.

In 30 years wages have gone up maybe 3 times in value
Whilst house prices have gone up 7 or 8 times in value.

In Brisbane today I saw an article about the Brisbane city council want to buy up houses to demolish and turn into parks.
With 400,000 people coming to Australia a year I guess the kids can always get a cheap tent from BCF to erect in said new park.

I have no idea what's going in in these so called leaders heads.
Australia has over 100,000 homeless but what really matters is knocking down houses and building new parks. [Rolls eyes]
- Like Australia doesn't have enough open spaces?

Brisbane City Council apologises after it sent 'alarming' letter warning 800 residents their homes could be acquired for new parks
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12395495/Brisbane-City-Council-apologises-sent-alarming-letter-warning-800-residents-homes-acquired-new-parks.html

I spoke to some friends today, they live about 20 minutes from the city, and they said their rent was going up $300 a week.

The government is not improving our country, it's their policies which are destroying it for all the kids and grandkids, i.e next generations of Australian citizens.

The climate may be changing, but if you let the greenies have their way no-ones going to be able to afford air conditioning anyway.

I guess there will be a lot more old people making the dreaded ambulance/hospital trip each summer.
I suppose that will get them out of their houses, downsize to the morgue, which is probably what policy makers want anyway.

Hi there Hassy,

Did you not say that Global Warming was a myth, and you had conclusive proof of that fact, from the temperature readings the old mate up the track had been taking for the past 60 years. Has he still got that thermometer in his chook shed? Is he still with us? If I'm wrong maybe you can tell that story again.

Australia should " re-negotiate the social license of the fossil fuel industry to operate" so that we can stop forest fires in Hawaii?
Struth, have we reach peak stupid in the global warming/climate change/climate crisis/the-sky-is-falling issue yet? Sadly no.

Still, it seems only fair that we should reduce our use of fossil fuels given that major users like China and India are similarly spurning the dreaded fossil fuels in their economy... http://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/27/energy/china-new-coal-plants-climate-report-intl-hnk/index.html

Still, perhaps there is an upside...
"The proposal requires the federal government to consider the effect on the health and welfare of young people and future generations when authorizing or approving projects that could cause a significant increase in greenhouse gas emissions."

I wonder is adding 400,000 new sets of lungs to the economy each year would "cause a significant increase in greenhouse gas emissions."?

"Peak stupid" not reached?

Unlikely that there will be a peak anytime soon, with some clown dreaming up new unbelievable crap regularly, and others writing crap about the crap. All the crappers should be rounded up and put into a community called Crapville, where they can be observed and treated if there is ever a cure for stupidity.

What a nitwit Pocock is, a very small repository of received "wisdoms". You could program AI in five minutes, to reproduce all his "opinions". He's like a Sydney Teal in drag, but with a much bigger jawline.

Here's Albanese Open Borders, feeding the rich, tsunami of migration, desperate situation here-and-now for hapless Australian renters and homeless, and he plays along with the silly Housing Fund, interrogates his navel about the "impact of climate change on future generations".

Steve S

Yes: 'nitwit' fits Pocock. Unfortunately, quite a few of the posters on this article are also nitwits - or worse.

Coal, gas and battery backed renewables have priced themselves out of the market! All that remains affordable, is nuclear energy as MSR thorium. Built, owned and operated by us, not debt laden, tax avoiding, profit repatriating foreigners.

If the Chinese can do it? Why not we Aussies? Too stupid? Only at the political level/political roadblocks and rank stupidity among gormless greens, holding the labor party by the short and curlies and the nation to ransom as they seek to implement their, fantasy land, hidden agenda.
Alan B.

Coal, gas and battery backed renewables have priced themselves out of the market! All that remains affordable, is nuclear energy as MSR thorium. Built, owned and operated by us, not debt laden, tax avoiding, profit repatriating foreigners.

If the Chinese can do it? Why not we Aussies? Too stupid? Only at the political level/political roadblocks and rank stupidity among gormless greens, holding the labor party by the short and curlies and the nation to ransom as they seek to implement their, fantasy land, hidden agenda. Cant died in a cornfield over a century ago.
Alan B.

Hi Alan B,

These atomic reactors you constantly plug on the forum.Reading an article on MSR reactors, there seems to be a range of issues, known from as early as the 1970's, and so far they have not been all that successful in overcoming these associated problems. MSR nuclear reactors don't appear to be the panacea of the worlds future energy needs, but you might be of a different mind, with other evidence available. I was reading a Canadian report.

p/s, When something sounds too good to be true, its generally too good to be true. AND the easy way is most often the wrong way.

Wrong Paul, these small reactors have been very successful.
Just ask the world's navies that have them in continuous use.
If they work in a submarine how much easier to have them used ashore ?

I am surprised how many people still believe in co2 generated warming.
I would have thought a reasonable person after hearing for 30 or 40
years about how we are going to be boiled alive they would become at
the very least a bit sceptical.

It is all very strange considering that the present known 8th warming
cycle is likely to be peaking about now or in the next 50 years or so.

I read an article by Ian Plimer recently in which he said that not
just Australia but the earth as a whole is already at net zero.
He seems to look at this matter as a geologist not an atmospheric
scientist. He says much more co2 is exhaled by the planet and absorbed
by the plants than us puny humans can generate.

It is a very interesting deduction from his geological knowledge.
So before you tear your hair out in rage at this idea I suggest you
do some reading.

Stand by, someone, guess who, will say he is in the mining industry !
So what, perhaps a new light does have to be thrown on this panic
that we are throwing all our resources at.

Bazz

I'm with you on Plimer. He's one that the legacy media won't touch, and stupid people ridicule. By the time that he is proved to be right - which will happen - it will be too late. The stupid generators will have to start all over again.

Anyone who thinks climate change can be prevented by humans has problems & anyone who thinks human caused pollution has no impact has the same problems as the former !

Hello ttbn, Indyvidual, Bezza, Alan B, Steve S, Hasbeen & other normal people who don't belong to the Chinese Communist party of Australia.

The horrendous fires in Hawaii have the same cause as Australia's horrendous bush fires, namely green-left policy which does not allow grazing animals to eat grass or a burn off in winter before the amount of fire fuel gets too high. Just like in OZ, the useless idiots were warned about this years ago.

This bill is going to harm future generations financially, via the damage done to our economy.

This yet another leftist, weaken Australia & strengthen China policy to help Communist China colonise Australia. UCSR here we come.

imacentristmoderate,

Good to see another person who 'gets it'.

"Plimer has two books questioning the existance of man-made climate. Plimer has been a director of numerous mining companies including Ivanhoe Australia, a subsidiary of Bob Friedland’s Ivanhoe Mines, CBH Resources, Kefi Minerals, Silver City Minerals, Ormil Energy Ltd, TNT Mines, Niuminco Group and Lakes Oil."

The only thing Plimer doesn't have that I know of, is shares in tobacco companies, so he could tell us how good smoking is for your health, and it has absolutely no link with lung cancer. In fact he could write a couple of books on the subject disproving all that silly medical research.

Looking ahead, and over the heads of the climate dumbclucks, there are plans to reopen, after 28 years closure, the South Crofty coal mine in Cornwall. 2026 is the target date,

Once again, other countries who went mad on the climate-change non-problem well before Australia did, are making it clear that net zero is a monumental job and economy destroying ballsup.

Our half-witted political class will continue to blunder on, too stupid to get the obvious message.

Dear Paul1405...

Do you think people who are helping Communist China to colonise Australia, should be locked up in a labour camp, deported or executed for treason?

You do realise that EVERYTHING you have promoted is economic sabotage, don't you?

Dear imacentristmoderate,

"The horrendous fires in Hawaii have the same cause as Australia's horrendous bush fires, namely green-left policy which does not allow grazing animals to eat grass or a burn off in winter before the amount of fire fuel gets too high."

What an absolutely pig ignorant thing to claim.

Here is a quote from someone with at least a modicum of knowledge of the area.

"The spread of highly flammable, nonnative grasses — left after property owners abandoned sugar cane or pineapple farms and ranches — has long been a concern. Nonnative grasses were brought to Hawaii to feed cattle when people of European ancestry arrived on the islands. But as farms and ranches shut down in recent decades because they were no longer as profitable, the flammable brush has been spreading throughout Hawaii, raising the risk of catastrophic wildfire."
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-08-12/how-maui-fire-became-a-monster

Plimer, is a geologist and not a climate scientist. 97% of who agree with that the climate is warming due to human activities!

Yes, when the sun causes natural variations, when it waxes (heats up) so does the planet! When it wanes (cools down) so does the planet! And we have been in waning phase since the mid-seventies (NASA).

And during this period of "natural cooling", we have witnessed record temperatures and heat waves, record droughts and fire storms, the worst in living memory. Ask any farmer!

You don't have to be brain dead to have missed this irrefutable, plain as the nose on your face, evidence, but it has to help!

Addressing climate change does not have tank the economy but continuing to burn prohibitively expensive coal/gas and even more expensive battery backed renewables, to power the nation, will!

And surging power prices, with no relief in sight, have already sent a voiceless many to the wall and bankruptcy. As the recalcitrant antinuclear labor government sits on its hands or buries the head somewhere warm and comfortable!

Forest Gump says, and I quote, stupid is that stupid does and opening a new coal mine is patently stupid. But hey, that's what happens when conservative governments get into power, they have form in this area!
Alan B.

imacentristmoderate,

If you try to argue with stupid people, you will get only stupid abuse back. It can be a bit of fun for a while, but it soon palls.

You will find that there are three only Leftists lunatics on OLO, who are very unpleasant characters who like to have last say.

I have found that it's best to stick with people like myself, or similar, read a lot of authors cancelled by the Marxist media, watch ADH TV, and generally, do a 'Benedict' on society, and enjoy the healing effect contact with agreeable people does have; and leave the last say to the disagreeable few who are never going to be any different or more enlightened than they are now.

Dear SteeleRedux, thank you for proving my point. The farms were abandoned after the green/left policies bankrupted them, but of course you already knew that didn't you?

Dear Alan B., There have been NO high temperature records broken & no record droughts, just ask a farmer.

Just liars fiddling with the figures for the Chinese Communist Party of Australia. What do you think life will be like here after Communist China colonizes Australia? The collaborators are the first targets to be rounded up & shot. Try reading a history book not written by a leftist humanities academic? You might learn something.

Leftism is as leftism does.

Hello ttbn, you're right, but every now & then i like to make a leftist troll cry. Have you tried Richardson Post, 3 trolls there too but they are less active?

imacentristmoderate (you are?)

Your question is loaded, its clear from your posts that SteeleRedux and myself are the one you believe; "belong to the Chinese Communist party of Australia", if indeed one exists, as its not registered with the AEO, no need to be coy about it, feel free to name names. In my case you are not the first and only poster to claim I am a communist, several others have done so in the past. Now for your question;

Do you (Paul 1405) think people who are helping Communist China to colonise Australia, should be locked up in a labour camp, deported or executed for treason?

No, you didn't give enough options. I think they should be given a million dollars each, and a villa in the South of France. Is that over the top, maybe too much? What do you bloody think!

"Wrong Paul, these small reactors have been very successful."

Yes, small reactors exist and may well be a big part of the future.

BUT....AlanB is talking about "MSR thorium". That is 'Molten-Salt Reactors' using thorium. They don't exist and although a demonstration plant was built in the 1960s it never generated a watt of usable power but did create a massive environmental issue. AlanB has been rabbiting on about this for a decade and remains as wrong now as he was then. The Chinese claim that they'll have a demonstration MSR Thorium plant ready by 2024-5, but they also promised one for 2022 which obviously didn't happen. Even if the new is built and works, the Chinese say it'll take a decade to go from demonstration plant to having the first usable plant.

So when Paul says "MSR nuclear reactors don't appear to be the panacea of the worlds future energy needs," he's right.

Hello Paul1405, If you support left wing policies then you are self defined as left wing.

100% of all left wing think tanks, left wing lobby groups & left wing political parties are working for Communist China.

ALP = Australia Last Party or China First Party, but you already knew that didn't you?

Leftism is as leftism does.

imacentristmoderate,

Only if you say so. This left right nonsense, I blame the French for that. There are various political attitudes in Australia, from the moderate majority, to the extreme minority. I don't like to categorise people too much as their beliefs tend to vary depending on the issue. You and I would agree on some things, but not on others.

Hello Paul1405, The political spectrum was developed by left wing humanities academics post WW2, but you already knew that, didn't you?

And no, i don't agree with leftists on anything.

No Australian child will be safe until 100% of leftists have been jailed, deported or executed for their crimes against humanity.

imacentristmoderate

"And no, i (imacentristmoderate) don't agree with leftists on anything." Do you consider me a "leftists"? If you do, then you don't agree with me that public education and health provisions are necessary. You don't agree public works are appropriate, road rail, etc? Hummm.

So, your nick is a misnomer, you only pretend to be a centralist moderate. As moderates in the Australian political context agree with me that government intervention in the above is necessary. Are you an extreme radical? Wanting to jail, deport or execute those not of your political persuasion might indicate you are.

"No Australian child will be safe until 100% of leftists have been jailed, deported or executed for their crimes against humanity."

Moderate must have a different meaning where you come from, cos that ain't even close to moderate where I live.

Dear imacentristmoderate,

Mate you really can't just keep making this stuff up.

Here you go, go educate yourself a little.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plantations_in_Hawaii

The reason for so much abandon plantation land was the demise of the big sugar plantation companies who moved operations to places like India for cheap labour after Hawaii obtained Statehood and Labour laws applied.

"Labor costs increased significantly when Hawaiʻi became a state and workers were no longer effectively indentured servants."

So unless you are saying pulling people out of indentured servitude just green/left policy and they should have been left in that servitude to big corporations, you are full of it.

So what is the next little piece of uneducated garbage you are going to pull out of your backside?

Dear SteeleRedux, Thank you for proving my point. Everything you quoted there is a left wing globalisation policy.

Dear mhaze, So you don't believe in punishing serious, damaging crimes against innocent victims?

Dear Paul1405, public education, health care, welfare & social services was invented by the Presbyterian church hundreds of years ago, but you already knew that, didn't you?

It was going very well too, until the Australia Last Party took over & screwed it all up in order to weaken Australia, making it easier for China to take over, but you already knew that didn't you?

There is a big difference between having a different opinion & engaging in the sabotage of your own country for an enemy nation, isn't there?

Heavy sentences for treason are perfectly normal, reasonable, moderate mainstream stuff, but you already knew that didn't you?

What makes you "useful idiots" think "serving foreign powers" is a good or positive idea?

Lots of opinions here. I do not think this bill has a hope in hell of
getting to the vote.
Even if it did get the Royal Assent it would be stopped dead at the
first court case.
There is no proof of Global Warming or Climate Emergency, etc etc.
We used to hear about the 1200 scientists saying there is !
Don't hear that now, but there are 1600 scientists including
Nobel Laureates that have signed a document to the contrary.

The IPCC has been charged with being unscientific and is not a
reliable source. Still no doubt there are plenty of people to argue
all this that either side is wrong.
Of course we will have the ACMA experts to decide what is misinformation
very soon, so maybe we can just leave it to those bureaucrats.

Only stupid people believe in this obviously false cult parasite garbleyarp.

People who can't understand the difference between agitprop and science.

People who think "science" means the ABC and Wikipedia.

Complete morons.

People who think government is some kind of big tit for them to suck on: the squalling unweaned.

People who don't understand that their appeals to political bodies for their arguments from authority, about their garbled fallacies, only proves how stupid they are.

Ofcourse there is global warming, we are still coming out of the little ice age. You know the one the alarmists reckoned they had to make disappear, in the climate gate emails.

Remember them? They showed the total lies these people were prepared to tell to support their scam.

God
Global warming
Climate gate
Covid
Ivermectin
How many lies will these lefties tell trying to cover their real objectives

Dear imacentristmoderate,

Your alternative reality reply was: "Thank you for proving my point. Everything you quoted there is a left wing globalisation policy."

There we go. Straight away calling white black. Making rubbish up with gay abandon with utter disregard for the facts.

"Globalisation is both a result and a force of modernisation and capitalist expansion, entailing the integration of all economic activity (local, national, and regional) into a 'global' market place: that is, a market place that transcends geo-political borders and is not subject to regulation by nation states."
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09614520701469492

Who do you think goes and protests at Davos, at the World Trade Organisation meetings, at the World Bank meetings, at the IMF meetings and so on?

It certainly isn't the right wing mob now is it. It is the leftists.

If you truly believe what you just put then you are just a lap dog for billionaires obfuscating the truth of who the main drivers of globalisation are. At trust me they are laughing at you.

Indeed Hasbeen, trouble is every year a new crop of brainwashed
18 yearolds leave school and head for the ballot boxes.
I am afraid we are stuck with it, at least until the lights go out
for five hours a night and stop their games m/cs & internet use.
Then the unemployed conservatives, they will all be conservatives then
will have the last laugh !