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Biden in bind as Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution turns 1 : Comments

By David Singer, published 6/6/2023

Significantly HKOPS trashes the United Nations decision on 23 December 2016 to create for the first time in recorded history an independent Palestinian Arab state between Israel and Jordan.

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It's only your opinion that the two-state solution is dead. And you and yours work assiduously against it.

Your Hashemite solution is not wanted by either Palestine or Jordan. And because that is so, bound to fail and prolong the unnecessary bloodshed.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 6 June 2023 11:57:02 AM
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If you get your information about Israel from the ABC, be advised that complaints by the Australian Jewish Association have resulted in two articles being re-written. The first article described a convicted terrorist who threw a grenade at civilians as an “ex-Palestinian freedom fighter”.

The second article has Israel killing "three Palestinians", when the three deceased were members of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade militant group: not just Palestinians.

AJA president David Adler accused the ABC of having “a long and disgraceful history of extreme anti-Israel bias”.

That long and disgraceful history applies to many anti-Israel commentators, and everything they say or write should be treated with care.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 1:23:15 PM
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Dear David F.,

«There still is the one state solution. Make Israel a real democracy with separation of religion and state and equality for all its people regardless of religion and ethnicity.»

A solution requires a problem: what and whose problem in particular is this going to solve?

Your personal problem, I suppose - so true, that solution would indeed solve it.

What is commonly misunderstood is that Israel's so-called "100-year conflict" is essentially an intra-Israeli/Jewish conflict over the basic character of the country, where the local Arabs are only incidental and insignificant pawns. What is often overlooked is that Israel is a divided country and Israelis cannot even live in peace among themselves. A solution to the problems of most ordinary Israelis will unfortunately require the physical division of Israel, rather than your suggestion of forcing on them an even further layer of "unity" with the Arab population as well, with whom they share so little.

«HKOPS is an example of imperialism.»

Indeed, and you seem to wish to solve the problem of imperialism by an even greater imperialism?
Forcing everyone there to live together under the umbrella of Western civilised ideology, which most people there do not share?

Relative peace, without and especially within, can only be achieved once the land is divided as required, possibly into 3, 4 or 5 different states, each with its own unique character.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 2:34:49 PM
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Yuyutsu

“ once the land is divided as required, possibly into 3, 4 or 5 different states, each with its own unique character.”.

Is that your own characterisation of the problem you believe it to be, or are there academic studies or past proposals concluding those ideas?
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 8:05:42 PM
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Dear Dan,

It is my own analysis, based on following closely on Israeli news at the source and talking with people in Israel.

When a rocket from Gaza falls and kills or wounds one or two Israelis, or causes a fire, you can see the faces of the extremist new Israeli ministers brighten, a sparkle in their eyes. They outwardly say "Terrible, terrible, revenge, revenge, oh what a bitter deadly enemy, kill them, kill them", but inside they smile and mentally count the votes that would bring them. Their reaction is obviously disproportionate to the actual "danger" which is dwarfed relative to the casualties of ordinary crime and road-toll. Yes, these rockets and other sporadic suicidal terror attacks can be a small nuisance, but relative to Israel's strength they are more like a mosquito. These irrational exaggerations expose the politicians' ulterior motive.

Ordinary Israelis on the other hand don't even mention these rockets and the like, they talk about anything else that interests them, about their own health and family and pets and travels and especially about the government's "judicial reform", but mentioning that a rocket fell 2km away doesn't even cross their minds, it's just like the rain. If I ask about it specifically they would just say, "ah, I think I heard something like that on the news yesterday, I don't know the details", then change the topic.

Further, when mentioning the word "enemy" with no particular context, what immediately comes to the minds of Israelis is the other political side, not Arabs or Palestinians.

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Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 12:34:06 AM
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[...continued]

Apart from the ultra-orthodox, a unique (and non-Zionist) group on its own and the Arab-Israelis, Israel is comprised of two groups - on the one hand the original Zionists who built Israel essentially in order to escape diaspora-style Judaism which they found suffocating, who instead wanted to become a "normal" (if not even socialist), "enlightened" and tolerant nation, replacing Judaism with the ancient Hebrew culture.

On the other hand are the "real Jews", who not only want to remain Jews, but consider themselves the "chosen nation" who were born to dominate the region and the world. Their guru is the late Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook, who wrote in his book ("Orot"="lights"): <The difference between humans and animals is just quantitative, whereas the difference between Jews and gentiles is qualitative>.

That second group is now taking over Israel, essentially because they produce more children on average and so just managed to cross the thin 50% mark of over-18s.

And the original Israelis obviously don't want their dear country they and their parents and grandparents worked and fought so hard for, to be snatched away by these fanatic Jews, they don't want to have to live under a dark fanatic Taliban-like regime nor to be forced into exile again.

This is the real bitter war that goes on in Israel, the Arabs are just incidental and their suffering is just a collateral damage. They are used as proxies because the "real Jews" know that hurting them hurts the feelings of the original Israelis and the original Israelis know that supporting them inflames the "real Jews". Even their land is only used as a flag to incense political enemies, not because anyone genuinely cares about it.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 12:34:08 AM
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