The insane can and do plan their macabre mission with detailed military precision. And this was the case in Wieambilla. Even so a senseless killing is just that. As a bloke who is pro-gun but not anti-vaccine, I find some of the assumptions by this anti-American author offensive. A gun in most law-abiding hands, be it bolt action or semiautomatic is just a tool to get some tasks done, i.e., the disposal/removal of vermin and feral species, pigs, goats, horses and wild dogs. And for sport in target ranges. Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns.

That said the issue of a man bring loaded weapons across a state border should have resulted in charges and the firearms confiscated. But that would not prevent criminals getting guns. We know that some were homemade (3D printed) and used with lethal consequences.

My thoughts unlike the vexatious Author are with the fine young police offers who were serving the community. Their brave young lives snuffed out by the whim and caprice of madmen/woman. A proscribed register may have prevented this tragedy. Even tougher gun laws would not have. It's not the gun that kills but the finger on the trigger.

We need guns in proficient law-abiding hands as baiting takes way more than the targeted problematic species. Guns on the other hand take only the targets, which in this sad and horrific case cost six people their lives.

I won't say anything about, shot to hell, road signs save, guns and alcohol/mind altering drugs do not mix! And perhaps the legal age for gun ownership should be 25.

Making sense from these senseless killings demonstrates a distinct lack of normal human empathy.
Alan B.

Uh Oh …The counter-view Is now under the microscope.

And why should it be problematic the local realtor is promoted as the more righteous in society generally, to cleanse the tarnished town of the unwashed and unwanted; now right there is a role for which they are well suited and highly experienced.

The exacerbation of the confusion between the good the bad and the plain ugly worsens!

Mmmm.

No mention of the very strict religious upbringing nor the fact they referred to the police as demons and devils.

The predisposition of fundamentalist Christians to conspiracy theories needs to be both acknowledged and acted upon.

http://youtu.be/_YDhSFS1TJs?t=2158

It is not the whole picture by any means but it is an important part.

That terrible Americanism, 'gotten' is the standout in this pointless piece.

The story of two young police officers killed in the line of duty has already passed the seven day cycle, with all its faux emoting from usual types who had no connection to them.

This is 'modern Australian' that Big Gob Lefties are telling everyone to adapt to. More to come.

Now that the commercial media has extracted all the commercial juice from this one, it's dropped in favour of the latest sporting achievements of some sports icon (D.W.). Facing projectiles coming at you at 90 miles an hour may take some courage, but when they are exceeding the speed of sound how much more courage is required.

These police persons put it on the line every day. It could be a domestic where a woman's life is in peril or as we saw, some fanatical, deeply demented, religious nut cases, doing the work of the devil!

It made no sense, never did, never will! My heart and my sympathy goes to the families and friends left behind and mourning the senseless loss of life of two very young police persons just working for us each and every day.
Alan B.

The Trains can never be called Terrorists.

1. Otherwise that would call into question ASIO's downgrading the Terrorism Level from "Probable" to "Possible" an unfortunate 16 days before the clear politically motivated violence of the trains killing police at Wieambilla. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/28/australias-terrorism-threat-level-changes-to-possible-after-eight-years-as-probable

AND

2. The Trains weren't Muslims. So Terrorism is out of the question.

ASIO quietly restoring the Terrorism Level from "Possible" to "Probable" is likely over the next few weeks during the "journalists asleep - Silly Season".

Mavs

I was shown a Twitter post that was said to contain their online rantings, prior to and during the event.
- But I wasn't really too interested in watching it.

What I did see was just some weird conspiracy type rantings by the apparent poster (not by the Trains) with a computer modified voice.
I could barely understand it and didn't even bother watching the actual videos, as I prefer videos that simply state facts without all the weirdness.

- But I was given a small bit of info, and I'm not sure it was true.

That Nathaniel Train had been working at the school and forced into taking the COVID vaccine to which he subsequently had a heart attack.
Then, when allegedly forced into taking the booster shot, he refused and quit his job.

Apparently the real story had something to do with his believing there was corruption between the education department and the police force.
- And that police had gone to the property several times prior.
Not sure exactly.

This article I just found now seems to confirm some of those details.
http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/reason-police-were-at-wieambilla-property-before-bloody-ambush-revealed/news-story/b3325dad5b7013e680a665e212afe46f

- I haven't bothered to look any further into it.
Maybe if he hadn't quit because of the forced COVID vaccine, subsequent heart attack (if they are in fact related) and forced second booster shot, which resulted in his moving to QLD
- Then it may not have happened.

His brother Gareth sounds like he may have been the more unstable and more conspiracy-oriented one of the two brothers though.

That said I looked into the Port Arthur events many years ago, and thought that some of the things didn't really add up, and seemed odd.
- I just looked for the videos in my YouTube history, but cant find them, maybe YouTube has removed them.

Furthermore:

Reported over a year ago http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/20/australias-spy-chief-vows-to-call-out-rightwing-terrorism-when-theres-a-specific-threat

Some words capitalised for emphasis:

"Australia's spy chief vows to CALL OUT rightwing terrorism when there's a specific threat"

"Australia’s domestic spy chief HAS VOWED TO CALL OUT rightwing violent extremism when he needs to identify specific threats, while insisting he faced no political pressure to shift his language on terrorism.

In an exclusive interview with Guardian Australia’s politics podcast, Mike Burgess said it was “simply ridiculous” to suggest he was banning particular words – but the Asio chief argued the previous labels “were too simple” when describing broad categories of violent extremism."

COMMENT

Many in Government are probably confused.

So in what parallel universe wasn't the Trains' killing of police not "violent extremism" and why didn't ASIO Chief, Mike Burgess, CALL IT OUT AS TERRORISM?

When these criminally insane, manure for brains, brain washed from birth, fundamental fanatics face their maker, Jesus will ask them, who gave you the right to kill in my name?

And of others he will ask, who gave you the right to persecute difference in my name, Judge in my name, or convict others in my name?
Alan B.

“FAILURE TO LABEL THE WIEAMBILLA FAR RIGHT KILLINGS AS TERRORISM IS UNACCEPTABLE”

The authoritative Sydney Crinimal Lawyers (SCL) website, 27 December 2022, reports http://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/failure-to-label-the-wieambilla-far-right-killings-as-terrorism/

"The decision of Queensland police not to classify the Wieambilla killings as terrorist in nature strays from the evidence already available to the public, although it does follow the habit of Australian authorities not to classify anything but nonwhite Islamic-related acts of violence as terror...

[SCL comments] "And in killing two Queensland police officers and a neighbour, the Trains had been motivated by multiple extremist beliefs loosely stringed together that have been circulating amongst a sector of our society since the onset of the COVID pandemic and have a strong base of adherents in the US."

Others comment it is likely ASIO and QLD Police refuse to classify Train's killing police as "Terrorism" because this would further radicalise many more armed Sovereign Citizen types who like to claim they are "victims of dark Leftwing Government forces or white Christian victims of the non-white LGBTQI Conspiracy".

What Maverick said!
Alan B.

What does it matter?
- Everyone's dead.

Thanks Alan B.

++++++++++++

Hi AC, re "What does it matter? Everyone's dead."

26,239,055* of we Aussies proudly still live and in Our Country. A country less touched by the Trump induced Clashes Weakening Democracy (CWD) causing such sadness in the US.

* http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs%40.nsf/94713ad445ff1425ca25682000192af2/1647509ef7e25faaca2568a900154b63?OpenDocument

Jesus will ask them, who gave you the right to kill in my name?
Alan B,
His dad gave them free will ?

Alan B,
and, our Justice system let him exercise it !

Hi Indyvidual and Alan B.

Seems more like counter-terrorism or police criminal matter.

Could the QLD Police have handled things better?

Mavs

Could the QLD Police have handled things better?
Maverick,
Will they ever disclose why they handled it the way they did ? I think we can fairly safely assume that bureaucracy was a cog in that gear & that is invariably a point that things could very likely have been done with a better outcome. Police generally & thankfully do a good job but as we are all aware their efforts are always hampered by the 'system' !
The tragic fact is that many crimes could be prevented if the people who demand being kept safe on one hand yet on the other hand vehemently oppose crime-preventing discipline !

Maverick,
The last sentence in my post got cut short, what I meant was;

...if the people who demand being kept safe on one hand yet on the other hand vehemently oppose crime-preventing discipline, made up their minds as to what they want !

Thanks Indyvidual

I'd add that a difficulty for the Qid Police was that Wieambilla seemed to be a highly armed group who had prepared the ground with sensors - all meaning it was at the upper end of police capabilities to handle.

In future cases the Federal and State governments should consider more capable Australian Army (eg. SAS and Tiger attack helicopters from nearby Oakey air base) "aid to the civil power" responses see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_aid_to_the_civil_power#Australia

A precedent is immediately following the 1978 Hilton Hotel, Sydney, bombing the Commonwealth and State Government requested armed Australian Army aid to the civil power.

I see it partly as a failure to educate the young about democracy.
And largely an inability to assess the mental attitude of young persons.
We tend to think they will be ok if we just push them in the right direction.
Whilst this works for most of them, it doesn't for some.
A few will have an innate desire to harm, and even kill, other persons.
They could well become rapists or serial killers.

We accept somewhat erratic behaviour from many teenagers, as part of growing up.
The ones whose difference is potentially destructive and unwholesome go unnoticed in the mix.
Until it is too late.
These are the ones whose instincts can over-ride any common sense they might have.
And even if we could find out who has the potential to be like that, what then?
Will we 'confine these persons: banish them on a 'just in case' basis?

We live in a democracy. Majority rule prevails.
No individual should make, or try to enforce, his own rules.
No one must harm another person, simply because he thinks he has a right to.
No resorting to brute force, however much our instincts might desire it.
Step back and be peaceful.
One advantage of doing so would be that those without control would stand out from the crowd.

We need to make it clear to all persons that living in a democracy means adhering to standards.
And we need a far better way of finding those with a mental leaning towards harmful conduct.
I doubt the latter will happen though.
So we must accept that there will continue to be unseemly behaviour in the community.
As a result, we must engage with sensible strategies, to ensure we stay as safe as we possibly can.
Which means personal curtailment of some things we would like to take for granted.

No individual should make, or try to enforce, his own rules.
Ipso fatso,
Minority groups seem to believe they don't have to toe the line !