Dear David F.,

«The identity of a people is often in the reality or feeling of being oppressed. There were no American people until some of the British colonies united in revolt against their overlords.»

How can what one feels possibly change their identity?

Suppose you feel that you could fly - does this make you a bird?

You may identify with a bird, you may even stupidly identify yourself as a bird, but that does not make you a bird!

Identity is a solid, unchanging fact while identification is merely a passing thought or feeling.

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«The solution is for Israel to become, not two states, but one state for all its people.»

Solution for what?
Would you agree that these people DO NOT want to live together?
(not just Israel, many others: India|Pakistan, Iran|Iraq, Russia|Afghanistan,Australia|PNG, etc.)
Is it right for the people of Israel to suffer living against all their preferences only so that you, here in Australia, are satisfied?
Or do you sincerely believe that people's preferences in general are not worthy of respect?

BTW, how do you feel about the American occupation of Hawaii?

Dear Yuyutsu,

I see no point in repeating our past arguments.

#Alan B

You state:
"there are two peoples both of who can trace origins back to Abraham. One group the Palistinians(sic), stayed and bore the brunt of Roman persecution."

Rubbish - the "Palestinians" were invented and defined for the first time in the 1964 PLO Charter. Neither the League of Nations in 1922 nor the UN Charter in 1945 ever regarded any separate Palestinian people existing in any shape or form. The Arab residents of Palestine were part of the existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine that had formerly been Ottoman subjects for the previous 400 years. Their civil and religious rights were to remain protected under the Mandate granted to Great Britain.

You further state:
"And only became a so called state by the annexation of Arab land by the British in 67!"

What the heck does this ramble mean?

You continue:
" The only deal on the table with a snowflake's chance in hell of flying, is a two state solution. And the only sane way to end the endless bloodletting!"

There already is a two-state solution that has been flying for 74 years - Jordan and Israel - that covers 95% of the territory in the Palestine Mandate. Dividing the remaining 5% between Israel and Jordan is the key to ending the conflict - not creating a second Arab state - in addition to Jordan - for the first time ever in recorded history.

The last gem:
"The story of the exodus is fiction as is the claim that goes with it"

The League of Nations did not agree: "Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country"

Your one sentence unsubstantiated throwaway shows how well Arab propaganda has brainwashed you. Really pathetic.

Crawl back under your cloak of anonymity and spend some time studying the Bible and ancient history which occurred long before your exemplars - the Arabs, Hitler, Nazis, Putin & Ukraine - all rabid Jew haters like you - ever appeared on the world stage.

#Yuyutsu

You state:
"«Palestine Arabs desire unity between Transjordan and Arab Palestine and therefore make known their wish that Arab Palestine be annexed immediately to Transjordan.»

That's what they SAID, but what did they actually DO?"

That's exactly what they DID between 1950 and 1967: Unified Transjordan, Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem into one State renamed "Jordan" with the PLO not claiming regional sovereignty in "the West Bank of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan".

You then ask:
"Is the author aware at all of BLACK SEPTEMBER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September) or does he think that Jordanians and their good King are idiots who must have forgotten it all and will happily take in that Trojan horse again?"

Yes I am - but it happened in 1970 - three years after Jordan lost Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem in the Six Day War.

Why did the PLO try to overthrow the Hashemite rulers in Jordan in 1970?

Consider this answer from King Hussein: "Palestine and Jordan were both under the British Mandate, but as my grandfather pointed out in his memoirs they were hardly separate countries"

Reunification of the two Arab populations on each side of the Jordan River - as existed between 1950 and 1967 - is the only solution to the conflict. Let the populations of the reunified entity decide in free elections who should rule them - the Hashemites or the PLO or maybe even you #Yuyutsu?

Your history lesson is a load of rubbish:

During the First Temple period (1200-586 BC), the First Temple was built in 1000 BC by King Solomon after King David conquered Jerusalem and made it his capital. The Temple was destroyed in 586 BC by Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, when he conquered Jerusalem.

Read all about it in 1 Kings 5-9
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%205-9&version=NIV

The beginning of the Second Temple period (586 BC-AD 70) is marked by the return of Jews to Jerusalem from their exile in Babylon in 538 BC. following an edict issued by Cyrus King of Persia. By 515 BC the building of the Second Temple had been completed.

Educate yourself.

"Life’s routine under the Israeli apartheid regime, Hebron: soldiers detained Salwa Sidr, a 13-year-old, on charges of possessing a knife. They threatened to handcuff her, took her in for questioning and only released her after she admitted to peeling a cucumber on her doorstep."
http://twitter.com/btselem/status/1538834804409520128

Throughout May 2022, on orders of the Jerusalem Municipality and the Civil Administration, 29 structures were demolished in the parts of the West Bank annexed to Jerusalem’s municipal boundaries and in adjacent areas lying within the al-Quds District of the Palestinian Authority. The demolished structures included 20 homes, six of which were demolished by their owners. Twelve were inhabited, and their demolition left 59 people, including 30 minors, homeless. Eight additional homes were under construction and slated to house a family of seven, including one minor, and for the future residence of five newly-wed young men. A part of another demolished house under construction was slated to house a young couple.

Another nine non-residential structures were demolished, including five used for businesses that supported at least 45 people.https://www.btselem.org/video/20220623_demolitions_in_jm_area_may_2022#full

http://www.btselem.org/video/20220623_demolitions_in_jm_area_may_2022#full

"Israeli settlers carrying mattresses and travel bags have stormed an empty Palestinian house in Hebron this afternoon under the protection of soldiers."

http://youtu.be/gXYdVhgk3gw