Yet another dreary iteration of Israeli denial of Palestinian identity. "There are no Palestinian people." The identity of a people is often in the reality or feeling of being oppressed. There were no American people until some of the British colonies united in revolt against their overlords. They eventually became the mightiest nation in the world. The state of Israel has played its role in creating the Palestinian people as the British Empire played its role in creating the American people. If the state of Israel had separation of religion and state, an integrated school system and civil marriage there would be no Palestinian people as the inhabitants of that territory would have formed one people. The Palestinian people exist and owe their existence to the State of Israel.

Maybe Biden should also support relocating Ashkenazi Jews back to Kazaria.

Biden should join with the rest of the democratic nation and put pressure on Israel to stop annexing the territory of other sovereign nations.

And he should also put a gag on David Singer to stop him and his mantra chanting ilk, effing things up with the only game in play, i.e., a negotiated two state solution!

Put a sock in it David you're not helping just prolonging the inevitable bloodshed! Maybe your real intention?
Alan B.

Although I disagree with most of what David Singer writes and he has a view that I don't agree with he is entitled to present it as long as Graham sees fit to put it in online opinion. I don't agree with a two state solution. I think there should be one state where every one has equal rights, and government gets out of the religion business. Let Arabs and Jews live together, go to school together and work together. Let them marry each other if they choose to do so. There is a great deal of hatred in the two groups for each other. Divided into two states the hatreds will continue and fester. It will set the stage for future conflict. The two state solution is just a stopgap until the next war. The Jewish Bible states "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Jesus merely repeated what he learned as a Jew. The solution is for Israel to become, not two states, but one state for all its people.

there are two peoples both of who can trace origins back to Abraham. One group the Palistinians, stayed and bore the brunt of Roman persecution. All while the Jews left and tried their luck elsewhere. Then returned to a land where their rights were lost due to the passage of years.

And only became a so called state by the annexation of Arab land by the British in 67! Their right to claim more and more illegally annexed occupied land doesn't exist, but is a war crime.

The only deal on the table with a snowflake's chance in hell of flying, is a two state solution. And the only sane way to end the endless bloodletting!

Let everyone see that Israel is the Middle East's Russia and Palistine its Ukraine. the only difference is the speed of the illegal expansion.

The story of the exodus is fiction as is the claim that goes with it, this land is mine, God gave this land to me.

Putin could make the same claim to the Ukraine and be just as legitimite.

Might is not right even if the Nazis claimed it was as Herr Hitler claimed more and more territory.

Perhaps you could solve the Palistinian problem with a permanent solution. And look not to different to now?

Jawhol mine Herr?
Alan B.

«Palestine Arabs desire unity between Transjordan and Arab Palestine and therefore make known their wish that Arab Palestine be annexed immediately to Transjordan.»

That's what they SAID, but what did they actually DO?

Is the author aware at all of BLACK SEPTEMBER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September) or does he think that Jordanians and their good King are idiots who must have forgotten it all and will happily take in that Trojan horse again?
Jordan need not suffer any of this 5th-column in their territory, who pretend to identify as "Palestinian", but in fact only want to join with Syria and invite it to take over - NEVER AGAIN!

...Actually, Israel doesn't need them either!

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«This scenario is far removed from the biblical and historic realities that had existed for 3000 years prior to 24 April 1950 - when Biden's destination was called "Judea and Samaria" –the ancient and biblical heartland of the Jewish people.»

Biblical reality?
That book was edited time and again to suit the rulers of the time, so its reality and the historical reality are quite different.

By historical studies, 3000 years ago there were no "Jewish people" as we know them now.
The inhabitants of Israel were still idol worshipers.
Worship of the Jewish god only prevailed around 627BC.
And the name "Samaria" (Hebrew=Shomron") was not yet invented.

The word "Jew" (Hebrew="Yehudi") came from "Yehudah", one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
Yes, 3000 years ago that tribe, besides its own territory, Judea, also controlled the region to later be called "Samaria"... but only for about 80 years!
The tyranny of that tribe then managed to arouse the hatred and rebellion of the rest of the Israelis, who later (around 880BC) built their capital called "Samaria" (Hebrew="Shomron").
Independence of Judea was lost about 220 years later.

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About the article's title:

This Biden fellow should come to my place to do some work: there is some cleaning to do in the kitchen, laundry and garden and I also have a neighbour I hate, so he should come and harass his children so he leaves and goes away.

Dear David F.,

«The identity of a people is often in the reality or feeling of being oppressed. There were no American people until some of the British colonies united in revolt against their overlords.»

How can what one feels possibly change their identity?

Suppose you feel that you could fly - does this make you a bird?

You may identify with a bird, you may even stupidly identify yourself as a bird, but that does not make you a bird!

Identity is a solid, unchanging fact while identification is merely a passing thought or feeling.

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«The solution is for Israel to become, not two states, but one state for all its people.»

Solution for what?
Would you agree that these people DO NOT want to live together?
(not just Israel, many others: India|Pakistan, Iran|Iraq, Russia|Afghanistan,Australia|PNG, etc.)
Is it right for the people of Israel to suffer living against all their preferences only so that you, here in Australia, are satisfied?
Or do you sincerely believe that people's preferences in general are not worthy of respect?

BTW, how do you feel about the American occupation of Hawaii?

Dear Yuyutsu,

I see no point in repeating our past arguments.

#Alan B

You state:
"there are two peoples both of who can trace origins back to Abraham. One group the Palistinians(sic), stayed and bore the brunt of Roman persecution."

Rubbish - the "Palestinians" were invented and defined for the first time in the 1964 PLO Charter. Neither the League of Nations in 1922 nor the UN Charter in 1945 ever regarded any separate Palestinian people existing in any shape or form. The Arab residents of Palestine were part of the existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine that had formerly been Ottoman subjects for the previous 400 years. Their civil and religious rights were to remain protected under the Mandate granted to Great Britain.

You further state:
"And only became a so called state by the annexation of Arab land by the British in 67!"

What the heck does this ramble mean?

You continue:
" The only deal on the table with a snowflake's chance in hell of flying, is a two state solution. And the only sane way to end the endless bloodletting!"

There already is a two-state solution that has been flying for 74 years - Jordan and Israel - that covers 95% of the territory in the Palestine Mandate. Dividing the remaining 5% between Israel and Jordan is the key to ending the conflict - not creating a second Arab state - in addition to Jordan - for the first time ever in recorded history.

The last gem:
"The story of the exodus is fiction as is the claim that goes with it"

The League of Nations did not agree: "Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country"

Your one sentence unsubstantiated throwaway shows how well Arab propaganda has brainwashed you. Really pathetic.

Crawl back under your cloak of anonymity and spend some time studying the Bible and ancient history which occurred long before your exemplars - the Arabs, Hitler, Nazis, Putin & Ukraine - all rabid Jew haters like you - ever appeared on the world stage.

#Yuyutsu

You state:
"«Palestine Arabs desire unity between Transjordan and Arab Palestine and therefore make known their wish that Arab Palestine be annexed immediately to Transjordan.»

That's what they SAID, but what did they actually DO?"

That's exactly what they DID between 1950 and 1967: Unified Transjordan, Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem into one State renamed "Jordan" with the PLO not claiming regional sovereignty in "the West Bank of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan".

You then ask:
"Is the author aware at all of BLACK SEPTEMBER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September) or does he think that Jordanians and their good King are idiots who must have forgotten it all and will happily take in that Trojan horse again?"

Yes I am - but it happened in 1970 - three years after Jordan lost Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem in the Six Day War.

Why did the PLO try to overthrow the Hashemite rulers in Jordan in 1970?

Consider this answer from King Hussein: "Palestine and Jordan were both under the British Mandate, but as my grandfather pointed out in his memoirs they were hardly separate countries"

Reunification of the two Arab populations on each side of the Jordan River - as existed between 1950 and 1967 - is the only solution to the conflict. Let the populations of the reunified entity decide in free elections who should rule them - the Hashemites or the PLO or maybe even you #Yuyutsu?

Your history lesson is a load of rubbish:

During the First Temple period (1200-586 BC), the First Temple was built in 1000 BC by King Solomon after King David conquered Jerusalem and made it his capital. The Temple was destroyed in 586 BC by Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, when he conquered Jerusalem.

Read all about it in 1 Kings 5-9
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%205-9&version=NIV

The beginning of the Second Temple period (586 BC-AD 70) is marked by the return of Jews to Jerusalem from their exile in Babylon in 538 BC. following an edict issued by Cyrus King of Persia. By 515 BC the building of the Second Temple had been completed.

Educate yourself.

"Life’s routine under the Israeli apartheid regime, Hebron: soldiers detained Salwa Sidr, a 13-year-old, on charges of possessing a knife. They threatened to handcuff her, took her in for questioning and only released her after she admitted to peeling a cucumber on her doorstep."
http://twitter.com/btselem/status/1538834804409520128

Throughout May 2022, on orders of the Jerusalem Municipality and the Civil Administration, 29 structures were demolished in the parts of the West Bank annexed to Jerusalem’s municipal boundaries and in adjacent areas lying within the al-Quds District of the Palestinian Authority. The demolished structures included 20 homes, six of which were demolished by their owners. Twelve were inhabited, and their demolition left 59 people, including 30 minors, homeless. Eight additional homes were under construction and slated to house a family of seven, including one minor, and for the future residence of five newly-wed young men. A part of another demolished house under construction was slated to house a young couple.

Another nine non-residential structures were demolished, including five used for businesses that supported at least 45 people.https://www.btselem.org/video/20220623_demolitions_in_jm_area_may_2022#full

http://www.btselem.org/video/20220623_demolitions_in_jm_area_may_2022#full

"Israeli settlers carrying mattresses and travel bags have stormed an empty Palestinian house in Hebron this afternoon under the protection of soldiers."

http://youtu.be/gXYdVhgk3gw

Dear David,

«That's exactly what they DID between 1950 and 1967»

What else could they do at the time?
The strong Jordanian army, loyal to its King, kept an iron fist over the West Bank. Syria was weak, so they bided their time until the defeated Jordanian army was weaker and Syria stronger, in 1970.

In any case, the so-called "Palestinians" always aspired to be part of Greater Syria just as they were during the Ottoman rule. This whole crying as if they desire independence was just a show, an anti-Israel propaganda: should they had their way and Israel was destroyed, the following day Israel would be under the rule of the Assad dynasty.

«Let the populations of the reunified entity decide in free elections who should rule them - the Hashemites or the PLO or maybe even you»

If "Palestinians" could have their way, then it would be neither, but rather ASSAD, which would mean Iranian forces along the whole Israeli eastern borders, all the way south to Eilat. Possibly the Russian army too should the fragile Israel-Russia relations falter!

«The Temple was destroyed in 586 BC by Nebuchadnezzar»

Sure, but Judea stopped being independent long before, when it became a vassal state, mainly of the Assyrians, but also of Egypt and others. The prophet Jeremiah warned against rebelling against Assyria, but was not listened to.

More importantly, that Jerusalem temple was for most time a pagan temple. Its designation was changed only during the religious reform of 622BC by King Josiah.

«The beginning of the Second Temple period (586 BC-AD 70) is marked by the return of Jews to Jerusalem»

Under Persian administration, later Greek, then Roman.

«Educate yourself.»

Yes, following your advice I started listening to this talk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWyHy0nxqMc
according to which, the northern kingdom of Israel preceded the southern kingdom of Israel, which was only established in the 9th century BC. Accordingly, around 1000BC the population of Judea was no more than a few 1,000s and could not possibly control northern Israel.

Dear David F.,

«I see no point in repeating our past arguments.»

I respect your choice to not engage any further,
however, as far as I remember, the issues I raised were never discussed before.

1) The difference between 'identity' and 'identification' in general, thus the falsehood of "Palestinian identity" in particular.

2) Whether in your view, people's general preferences to live on their own, not mixing with others they don't want to, ought to be respected (not only for religious reasons, which we may have previously discussed).

3) As an American (I believe you are), how is the desire to maintain the occupation and annexation of Hawaii related to similar expectations of Israel?

Dear Yuyutsu,

I hope you will find someone who wants to interact with you.