The Ivans are being ground down. It is only a matter of time before the ex-communist forces are destroyed and have to retreat.

When we (well some) say NATO should get involved via a No-Fly Zone or actual boots on the ground, it ought to be remembered that its really the US who would do that. The rest of NATO really isn't in a position to take on the Russia air defences.

And when we talk of the US doing it, remember its the lower class youth of America who'll do it. The kids of the ruling class won't be putting their lives on the line. So yet again, the deplorables will be called on the do the elite's bidding. It was these people who Trump sought to protect as he instituted America First.

While Russia's imperialism is of concern to the world, or ought to be, its not clear why the US needs to do more than its currently doing to address that. We are all (or most) barracking for the david in this fight, but apart from passing him some rocks for his sling, we (specifically the US) don't need to join the fight. The fall of Ukraine (if it happens) will be sad, but Europe and NATO will emerge from this strengthened and Russia immeasurably weakened, no matter what happens from here on.

It is now abundantly clear that the Russian military is utterly incapable of credibly threatening any NATO country short of reverting to the nuclear threat.

Spilling US blood to save Ukraine probably seems fine for those completely removed from the event. But why a kid from Ohio needs to die for a kid in Odessa is unclear.

Putin was evil, is evil and always will be evil.
We would be much better off without him.
The question is how?

This Ukrainian situation is a perfect example of what happens when you let too many of a different ethnicity into your country. Too many ethnic Russians in parts of the Ukrainian, & they want to partition the country & declare their part independent.

When the Ukrainian says no, they start a war, then call on their mother country they never stopped wanting to come & help.

This is the perfect warning for us to stop migration dead, & most definitely not let in any more Refugees. The whole Balkans mess is due to ethnic mixing where it is not wanted by the majority. It is a recipe for disaster & we are setting ourselves up for the same problems here. In fact we now have no go zones for the cops due to religious garbage, & need to wake up. Go woke on refugees & end up with rival gangs staking out territories, then growing to wanting independence.

We need to jump right now on politicians who want to use migration to ease the economic mess they have got us into, & the woke who want to be kind to every useless rabble they can find.

The very last thing we [the west in general] need to do, is to get involved in a typical Balkans mess. We need to do keep our powder dry, ready for the Chinese assault which is coming sooner or later.

Ipso

The line has been drawn ... by the Ukrainians.
Ever dealt with a bully? They don't stop until someone stands up to them.
The Ukrainians are doing that to the Russians.

Jonathan
Asinine is too mild, and probably not understood by those you are addressing. Mindless, utter stupidity has a ring closer to truth, which probably has a mild chance of recognition.

ttbn
there you go again. More abuse. Why don't your just address the issue and prove or justify your view.

Too hard?

Well here is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate your 'grasp' of things Russian. In fact I am definitely calling on you to show us your great and in depth knowledge of Russian culture, as you bragged in your putdown of Alan: 'I could tell you why your comments about Russian culture are completely off the wall',

I'd also like you to point to the comments Alan made that inspired your boast.

I'm listening. hohohoho this will show exactly what you are.

I suspect you may find that the Ethnic Ruskies were sent into Ukraine by the Soviets, no voluntary situation at all, as was the situation in many other Soviet countries. The same situation is now taking place in western China as it was in Tibet. The idea obviously is to build up a large population so as to be able to outnumber the original peoples. Bingo! look there are now more of us so its ours and we shall do what we wish.
But people have always moved around within any continent over all of our 3.5 million years of existence well before borders came into existence.