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UN should use Israel-bashing model to oust Russia from Ukraine : Comments

By David Singer, published 16/3/2022

The United Nations (UN) General Assembly needs to stop its pious bleating and move to immediately set up a network of Ukrainian-dedicated agencies to try and force Russia to end its invasion and occupation of Ukraine.

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"The UN will cease to have any credibility or relevance if the General Assembly fails to implement these measures."

Forget it, then. The UN has never had those characteristics, and has never shown the slightest embarrassment about it.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 8:49:11 AM
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Israel is hardly any different to Russia, inasmuch as both are using armed force to try and wrest sovereign territory from the rightful owners. And overreact with unimaginable brutality when those rightful owners say no!

Mr Singer's jaw jaw seems to draw distinctions between Israeli brutality and Russia's?

And imagines the UN confined in a straight jacket, via vetos, can do very much and why he's advocating his impotent UN advocacy!?

Mr Singer would be much more helpful if he just put an effing sock in it and STFU. Ken oath.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 16 March 2022 10:48:40 AM
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David Singer,

There you go again. You deliberately miss the crucial elements of difference in support between the Russian and Israeli aggression.

You are just ranting pointlessly ... with crucial omissions..

Firstly, in the UN Security Council Russia vetoed the motion criticising Russia's illegal invasion and occupation. Just as the US vetoes motions criticising Israelis illegal invasion and occupation of traditional Palestinian lands ... and its ongoing thefts.

Secondly, the vast majority of Western Liberal Democracies have outright condemned Russia's illegal invasion and occupation. The unison is far greater than any criticism levelled at Israel. Perhaps that should change.

Far fewer nations have done the same for Palestine. Some do but far fewer have committed munitions, weapons, money and humanitarian supplies to Palestine, as they have done for Ukraine. In fact most donate money and humanitarian supplies regularly to both the Israelis and Palestinians. In fact the crucial and only real difference is the US, to the great discredit of the Democrats and Biden, support the Palestinians in far less ways, especially militarily, than they support the Israeli aggressors. In fact it supports them more than the Ukrainians in this regard.

Today the world, outside of the UN, has spoken in support of Ukraine, It does not do the same to the Palestinians.
That you disguise this with your one-sided rants against criticism and calls for and efforts to sanction the aggressive Israelis is really becoming quite tiresome.

I'd suggest you cease with your dishonest hectoring. The West when it evaluates the Russian evil in Ukraine will see a need for reassessment, about threats to peace everywhere and will cause a fundamental reassessment in the mid-east.

Aggression everywhere will be seen for what it is ... evil.

Keith Kennelly
Posted by imajulianutter, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 4:54:55 PM
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First, Ttbn has already stated the obvious: that no-good organisation never had any relevance. It is there only to provide prestigious jobs to worldwide retired politicians.

When the author finds it convenient for his sect, he relies on the empty words of that organisation to grant [parts of] the land of Israel to the Jews, as if it were theirs to give anything, then these words are holy holy holy, but when their empty words do not strike a chord with him, he condemns them as filthy filthy filthy.

The fact is that their vacuous words never mattered. The Israelis (not the Jews!) took over their land by their own sweat blood and tears and not by the speeches of retired politicians. They would have done exactly the same whether or not "articles 6, 25 or 80" or "resolution 242" ever existed.

Similarly the fact is that Putin (and Xi) can only be stopped by brave people wielding missiles and other weapons who are willing to die for their freedom, not by further chattering committees that are designed to provide employment for more failed and side-pushed ancient politicians.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 7:37:29 PM
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Needs reminder that the main reason Russian military was sent into Ukraine was the Presidents of Donetsk and Lugansk, which declared independence from Ukraine after the US sponsored coup in 2014 ASKED for help. The government in Kiev had been conducting a war against them for 8 years resulting in deaths of around 14,000 people, hoping to retake the area by force and had largely ignored peace agreements. The main aim of Russia is to help subdue the Ukrainian military enough to get them right out of territories claimed by these republics and have arrangements made to permanently exclude them . Seems unlike former Soviet Union, the Russian Federation does not want to expand territory except in areas where residents are strongly in favour of joining it, as they were in Crimea. Doubtful Russians want to stay in Donetsk and Lugansk unless to help locals maintain security. Now seems to me that the Zionists in Israel deserve to be treated the same way the Ukrainian military is in Donetsk and Lugansk where residents have for the last 8 years been trying to get them out. Rightful owners of the land, the Palestinians need outside help to get rid of what amounts to "Khazarian Mafia" type Jews who have moved into their country and often been given more rights than themselves.
Posted by mox, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 9:40:16 PM
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#mox

You state:
"Rightful owners of the land, the Palestinians need outside help to get rid of what amounts to "Khazarian Mafia" type Jews who have moved into their country and often been given more rights than themselves."

Wrong. The Palestinians are not the rightful owners of the land. Ownership is disputed between the Jews and the Arabs.

Judea and Samaria (West Bank), East Jerusalem and Gaza were areas of former Palestine in which reconstitution of the Jewish National Home was authorised by article 6 and article 25 of the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine - which right has been preserved by article 80 of the United Nations Charter.

Moreover the Palestine Liberation Organisation on its formation in 1964 did not claim regional sovereignty over the "West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan" or the Gaza Strip.

The Arab residents of the West Bank remained citizens of Jordan from 1950 to 1988.

Get your facts straight before you rush into print making assertions that are simply not true.
Posted by david singer, Friday, 18 March 2022 9:03:06 AM
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Anyone that thinks that there are "presidents" of the breakaway states is either a moron or a Russian Shill.

The attack by Russia was completely unprovoked and unjustified. The deliberate attacks on civilians have made Putin and his generals war criminals.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 18 March 2022 2:37:47 PM
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Davis Singer: You need reminding of the origins of Israel . In 1917 the British were on track to take control of Palestine from the disintegrating Ottoman Empire but war was at effectively at a stalemate. The US had kept out of it. However British politicians promised Zionists in the US who had a lot of political influence - especially in the media that if the US joined the Allied war effort, they would create a Jewish homeland in Palestine. This was successful. Basically giving away territory that was already fully owned and occupied by people already there. It gained significant support from some other governments with the obvious hidden agenda of wanting to get rid of the types of Jews in their countries they regarded as parasites. Including the Haavara agreement with Nazi Germany to help German Jews emigrate to Israel. Then important to note that Jews that have within the last 100 years moved to Israel mainly do not have historical connections to Palestinian Jews of Biblical times. They largely originate from the rogue Kingdom Of Khazaria north and east of the Black Sea. It was pushed into embracing one of the three Abrahamic religions - of which Judaism was adopted with the aim of reducing bad behaviour by neighbouring Russia and Persia around 1,200 years ago. Then around 500 years later, they broke up this rogue kingdom and some of the Khazarian leaders who had Satanic beliefs as well as Judaism spread themselves around Europe. Now these types with Khazarian heritage are continuing to steal Palestinian land. Also, treating other types of Jews - especially Palestinians as second class citizens.
Posted by mox, Monday, 21 March 2022 8:39:47 AM
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#mox

More rubbish, lies and misleading misinformation from you.

You state:
"However British politicians promised Zionists in the US who had a lot of political influence - especially in the media that if the US joined the Allied war effort, they would create a Jewish homeland in Palestine. This was successful."

What is your evidence for making this outrageous statement?

The facts are:
"On April 2, 1917, President Woodrow Wilson went before a joint session of Congress to request a declaration of war against Germany. Wilson cited Germany’s violation of its pledge to suspend unrestricted submarine warfare in the North Atlantic and the Mediterranean, as well as its attempts to entice Mexico into an alliance against the United States, as his reasons for declaring war. On April 4, 1917, the U.S. Senate voted in support of the measure to declare war on Germany. The House concurred two days later. The United States later declared war on German ally Austria-Hungary on December 7, 1917."
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1914-1920/wwi

You also state:
"Basically giving away territory that was already fully owned and occupied by people already there."

Rubbish - Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire for the previous 400 years. Most of it was State lands. Palestine comprised just 0.01% of the Ottoman Empire that was set aside for the Jews after World War 1. The other 99.99% was set aside for the Arabs.

You further state:
"It gained significant support from some other governments"

Actually "it" - the reconstitution of the Jewish National Home in Palestine - gained the unanimous agreement of all 51 members of the League of Nations.

The rest of your comment is a racist rant that brands you as an out and out Jew-hater.

Answer this question please:

Why do you hate Jews so much?

Also still waiting for your response to my comment on Friday, 18 March 2022 9:03:06 AM. Does your silence indicate you accept the facts set out in my comment?
Posted by david singer, Monday, 21 March 2022 9:43:28 AM
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Seeing you telling someone to get their facts eight caused m e to laugh with scorn at your hypocrisy.

David half truths, which you constantly spout, are also lies, and certainly not facts.

Tell me, honestly, who lived in Palestine before the bleating of the manipulated useless bureaucrats in the League of Nations?

Answer: Arabs and Jews ... without suppressive military occupation.

So what happened?
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 21 March 2022 6:18:24 PM
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Dear Imajulianutter,

«Answer: Arabs and Jews ... without suppressive military occupation.»

Nobody lived in "Palestine" because there is no such place on earth.

By using this dirty word which was purposefully devised by the Roman suppressive military occupation to humiliate the defeated Israelis, both the author and yourself demonstrate contempt of Israel and its people.

Israel was under a string of several occupations, including the corrupt Ottomans where bribery was the law and under which both Muslims (a combination of Bedouin Arabs and converted Israelis) and Jews suffered extremely heavy taxation, were poor and often starved to death.

The original Zionist vision of Theodor Herzl and others was of a new modern, "enlightened" society where both Jews and Arabs lived happily together, very unlike the territorial/colonial/Messianic dreams of the author's Jewish sect. At least until 1929, probably even 1936, the Zionists pushed for this vision which would not only solve the European "Jewish problem" but help the local Arabs as well, never aiming for an exclusive Jewish state. Sadly the stupid Arabs declined that offer and instead used violence (and some still do) to try to thwart that idea.

To understand the situation better rather than pretend it to be a Jewish-Arab conflict, the local Arabs had no problem with Jewish presence, and likely wouldn't even mind about Jewish control replacing Turkish control if that allowed them to put more bread on the table. However, Zionism along with its "enlightened" European spirit posed a great challenge to the traditional Islamic (and Jewish!) lifestyle, thus threatened the Muslim clerics who incited the masses against the "Jews" who dared to introduce this trend in the Middle-East.

Till today we see this phenomenon in Afghanistan, but somehow Zionism succeeded where both Russian and American armies failed!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 6:44:05 AM
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