Blatant bulldust!
Alan B.

The UN General assembly has for a long time been a hot bed of antisemitism. This was only made worse by Obama's support for the 2016 resolution.

Note that the GA's resolutions are not enforceable.

Resolution 2334 was one of the most disgusting, if not THE most disgusting things to come out of the disgusting UN; and one of the many reasons all self-respecting countries should opt out of it. I don’t know if Australia can be classed as self-respecting these days. Israel deserves respect for not budging on Palestinian whining.

As for that idiot, John Kerry, still chuntering on about ' two states', he is too thick to realise that Palestinians want only one state - their own, with Israel wiped out.

"Jew-hatred has become firmly entrenched in the UN Security Council to its eternal shame". Correct, but the UNSC is not capable of feeling shame.

I would use this article as a superb material for teaching year-9 students about the meaning of hypocrisy.

Considering a given organisation (in this case the United-Nations) to be angels¹ when they support a given agenda (in this case what the author perceives to be Jewish interests) but daemons² when they oppose that agenda - this indeed should be included in year-9 curriculum.

In the given example, the said organisation are neither angels nor daemons, but just an irrelevant social club of babblers who waste their tax-payer's funds extravagantly and never had any real influence over the Middle-East.

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¹ "The right of Jews to live in these Territories is expressly authorized by articles 6 and 25 of the 1922 League of Nations Mandate for Palestine and preserved until today by article 80 of the United Nations Charter"

² "In its resolution 2334 (2016), the Security Council reaffirmed that the establishment by Israel of settlements in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, had no legal validity and constituted a flagrant violation under international law"

Y,

In 1948 the Arab nations attacked the Jews and after a year of the war, an armistice (not a peace treaty) was settled along what is recognised as the border today. In 1967 The Arab nations again attacked Israel and a new armistice line was settled.

Why is the 1967 line any less valid than the 1949 line? as only Egypt has signed a treaty with Israel.

The Bible mentions Judea and Samaria, and was part of Jerusalem & Israel.
In that last 3000 years it was so until the Arab Islamic armies
invaded in the 700s and as per the Koran claim it is now Islamic land
because once occupied by Moslems remains Moslem forever even if the
original occupiers reoccupy it. The Romans considered it part of Israel.
Think what the implications of that verse have.
France is on the verge of facing that same problem.
Paris has zones sensible where French law has been replaced by Sharia Law.
My French is not good the English is sensitive.
Politicians and Army people are warning of civil war.
This will be the major topic in the coming election.

Dear Shadowminister,

«Why is the 1967 line any less valid than the 1949 line? as only Egypt has signed a treaty with Israel.»

Good question.

By itself, the 1967 line is no better or worse than the 1949 line.
What matters is the spirit by which Israel reached these lines, what matters are the attitudes within Israel at the time.

As this is an internal Israeli affair, the actions and inactions of Arab countries are also irrelevant.

Undoubtedly Israel had to push back the attacking Arabs and destroy their armies, it had no other choice, but the spirit in which this was done was totally wrong and that bad spirit continues to hover over Israel, corrupting it from within, and this will not stop until Israel ceases to benefit from the fruits of that cursed war. Only that particular war.

Should Israel finally gain the wisdom to withdraw so it can begin the journey of its internal healing and should the Arabs be foolish enough to attack again (I hope they won't), and should Israel then be forced to defend itself, this time with the correct spirit, and should that would be the pure dictates of a wise military strategy, then I could see nothing wrong about Israel re-occupying these territories and beyond.

2021 was the deadliest year since 2014, Israel killed 319 Palestinians. In a 5-year record in house demolitions: 895 Palestinians lost their homes

"In 2021, Israeli security forces killed 313 Palestinians, including 71 minors: 236 in the Gaza Strip, 232 of them during Operation Guardian of the Walls; and 77 in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem). Three other Palestinians were killed either by armed settlers or by soldiers who were escorting them; another Palestinian minor was shot by an Israeli civilian and later by Border Police officers; and two Palestinians were killed by armed settlers."

http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20220104_in_deadliest_year_since_2014_israel_killed_319_palestinians_in_opt

Y,

In all three attacks by the Arab states in 1948/67/73 the stated objective of the Arabs was genocide and the obliteration of Israel and its people. So what "spirit" would you find appropriate on the Israeli side?

SR's quote from the Hamas run website fails to mention that the majority of those killed were young armed Hamas militants trying to cross from Gaza to internationally recognised Israel with the intention of killing civilians.

Dear Shadowminister,

That the Arabs should have been stopped is not contested.

But once annihilating the Arab armies (in 1967), Israeli soldiers could safely return home. They did not, they are still there.

As a result of its 1967 victory, Israel changed its character, it lost its humility and became arrogant, proud of its military might which it glorified in vulgar songs. As Israeli society started to worship the army, it became violent and that violence was spread throughout its society, including domestic and on its roads.

An outside observer might think that the occupation was due to Jewish sentiments, but no, Israel's government at the time was atheistic socialist Labor (Mapai) that was cynical about religion (the Jewish-Messianic movement to settle the occupied territories that was led by the disciples of Rabbi Kook who perceived the state of Israel to be some mystical/supernatural entity, started much later, around 1975-1976). The true, unspoken, motive for the occupation was the greed of Moshe Dayan, then defense minister, to loot all the newly-available archaeological sites, filling his [illegal] private backyard archaeological collection with more exciting artifacts from the occupied territories.
http://jhsonline.org/index.php/jhs/article/view/5856

That bad spirit of false pride, glorifying violence, militarism and robbery, cannot be healed until Israel withdraws completely and stops enjoying the poisonous fruits of its 1967 war.

This has nothing to do with Arabs or Jews, it is a painful internal Israeli affair which Israel needs to address for its own good.

There is no point in arguing the rights and wrongs of Israel & Palistine.
Since Mohammad's time the Islamic policy has been to conquer all,
offer them Islam or death.
Where the army of Allah has gone the story is the same.
Today they arrive in Europe on tourist visas or as refugees, thousands
of young men that are taking over towns all over France and Germany.
Their leaders are not making bones about their aim, nothing less than
the establishment of the Islamic Europe.
The public in those countries simply did not believe the warnings.
That sentiment is changing but probably cannot be reversed now without
expulsion and civil war.

Think I am talking nonsense ? Then you need to look deeper than the
latest bit of lovey woke patting down.

I think I agree with Yuyustu. And I believe what we should do is add water. As Our contribution. If both sides had inexhaustable water much of the tension would subside?

And that water could come from several major deionisation dialysis desalination projects the UN could and should fund.

Those plants would be ideally powered by MSR thorium! To be more affordable than any other source save free from the sky, rainfall.

Isreal would need less land if it employed hydroponics and used underground projects and rooftop gardens. Both those alternatives would consume power! And no other power other than MSR would make such projects economically viable.

And that power and the facilities it provides could be extended across agreed borders as an act of reconciliation.

I believe there should be a truth and reconciliation commission based on the South African model? To get the C.R.A.P. out, exposed and formerly forgiven by all sides?

Should all the above be agreed to and more difficult than herding cats? I believe peace that lasts for thousands of years would prevail. And might if we just do what I've suggested without any strings or control attached! Just add water!
Alan B.

Alan B, how do you get around the belief that the land occupied by
Israel does not belong to the Jews but to Moslems ?
Abbas's and Hamas's policy is to expell all Jews.
That is what "From the River to the Sea" means.

Dear Bazz,

«how do you get around the belief that the land occupied by
Israel does not belong to the Jews but to Moslems ?»

But why should you care whom does this cursed land belongs to?

Just let Israel get out of there, for its own sake, then let whatever happens in there happen, let the interested parties, whoever they may be, sort it out amongst themselves.

«Abbas's and Hamas's policy is to expell all Jews.
That is what "From the River to the Sea" means.»

So? Do you want to deny them their dreams even?

Compared with Israel, they are like mosquitos: they can annoy, bite and cause some itching, but not much more.

Yuyutsu
Well how would you like it if someone came along said get out of your
house and leave the country, or we will kill you !
I think the Jews have been kicked around so many times that they have had enough.
After Hitler they said No More! Israel is our country and we are taking it back.
Hence the troubles in the area from the end of the war.

It is as simple as that !

Why do I care ? Well, no real skin of my nose but give in to the
Islamists and they will come for you next.
Anyway where would the Jews go ?

Dear Bazz,

«Well how would you like it if someone came along said get out of your house and leave the country, or we will kill you !»

Some midget the size of an ant?

I might give it a laugh, but if they start annoying too much beyond just talking and place burrs in my shoes, then I could pick them up and throw them over the fence in my neighbour's backyard...

«I think the Jews have been kicked around so many times that they have had enough.
After Hitler they said No More! Israel is our country and we are taking it back.»

It is dangerous to generalise like that. Jews are anything but a monolithic body, in fact there is much controversy over what exactly "Jew" means.

Anyway, Israel is not "their country" - Israel belongs to the Israelis. Jews are LIKELY to be accepted there, but shouldn't they at least say "thank you"?
SOME Jews did make Israel their home, other Jews found different solutions, including living in Australia, yet others are too busy to even think about it.

«Hence the troubles in the area from the end of the war.»

Can you show me anywhere in the world where humans live that was ever trouble-free?

«Well, no real skin of my nose but give in to the Islamists and they will come for you next.»

I am much more worried about the Chinese.
Actually, some Islamists could be our allies in facing that common enemy which is much more dangerous.

«Anyway where would the Jews go ?»

Unlike North Koreans, they are free to go nearly anywhere they like, with myriad of options available.

Those who feel connected to Israel could migrate to Israel and become Israelis, others who are impelled by certain Messianic beliefs could choose to migrate to "Judea+Samaria" once Israel vacates the place (they could possibly be required to war with the natives, but I leave such decisions completely up to them), others could stop being Jewish, others could come to Australia or join a scientific mission to Antarctica, etc., etc.

I had always thought you contributions here were well thought out and
reasonable, but I now think you are rather muddled.

>Some midget the size of an ant? Multiple Islamic countries ?

To try and separate them from those now in Israel and Jews outside
the country is ignoring their long time religious connection only
broken by the Islamists, Romans etc etc.
They are not interested in going elsewhere, they have had enough of that.
You are really muddled with your comments they could migrate to
Somaria and Judea ??
Reading all this again, I realise you are just pulling my leg.
Having wasted my time, I will not bother to reply to you again.
If you really are handicapped, I apologise.