I understand where your coming from Individual.

The mating act is totally divorced from the reality of the inevitable outcome of the act.

But when the welfare cheque increases with the number of additions to the family stock, where is the incentive to not procreate.

But isn’t this an indication of the real problem with abortion?
it’s probably fair to say, those women that freely use the abortion services, would be suspiciously the ones who have brains enough to deal with the outcome of a full term pregnancy.

Maybe a more enlightened abortion regime would be to discourage the process of abortion and encourage by welfare payments towards those with a brain to deal sensibly with the pregnancy.

Obviously there is a disconnect in the ivory towers when birth rates of the Nation are falling below acceptable levels, requiring mass immigration to shore up population growth: It makes no sense out here unless the whole thing is a lie, which it is of course.

Mass immigration is not in the slightest degree intended to shor up population stability as claimed.
The only propping up that does, is props up the welfare of land developers and other such scammers involved in guiding the ruling class with rewards to a better life style for themselves.

Interesting thought!

Dan

All I'm going to say is:
Instead of wishing to force women to give birth to an unwanted baby or guilt-tripping them, please advocate for free contraception and mandatory, comprehensive sex education.
The result will be a significant reduction in the abortion rate as has been shown by some European countries such as the Nordic countries and the Netherlands.

Celivia

Well, if you are referring to my intelligent suggestions above, (which you may not be), there is a difference between guilt tripping women to hold the pregnancy full term, and guilt tripping them over the actual alternative, abortion.

I would think in my own head, if guilt tripping is the problem for women, then why are not more women guilt tripping over the actual abortion itself, with its obvious butchery and violence, and nil to scant regard for a human life; especially one so vulnerable and still in the womb.
It all seems so cowardly to me.

I would say to these women, get some guts and face your responsibility.

Dan.

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Dear Peter,

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You declare :

« The Church, in most of its forms, has opposed abortion and many also oppose Voluntary Assisted Dying (VAD). The grounds for this opposition are similar and are based on the view that each person is created in the image of God. Each of us has an integral dignity that cannot be erased even during a painful death »
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Does that mean, "a contrario", that if there were no God, the Church, in most of its forms, would not oppose abortion, nor Voluntary Assisted Dying (VAD) ?

Do you honestly consider, Peter, that belief alone (that there really is a God) – without any substantive evidence – is sufficient grounds for finding someone guilty of assassinating an embryo or foetus created “in the image of (that hypothetical) God” ?

It seems to me that that is a position on very shaky grounds. It is the type of bigotry on which the Church had women burnt on the stake or drowned – particularly in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries, even as late as the 17th century.

If only there were a God, Peter, if only …
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lx8c3-djc8&ab_channel=reidyboi411

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"each person is created in the image of God."

Who was the first charlatan to utter those words?

Life has no beginning and no end.

The questions raised by the author stem from the artificial separation of "human life" from the totality of life.

I wish the author respected just as much the life of animals and condemned their killing just the same - the whole world and all that is in it is created in the image of God, not just humans. The non-religious may think and do whatever they like (they have their own learning curve ahead, which too must be respected), but for the lovers of God there is no place for such arrogant thoughts as if humans are somehow better, somehow less-distorted images of God than the rest.