Canberra on drugs!

Dan

yep, looks like another biased anti-US piece, probably took about 60 minutes.

good work Binoy.

I think that Scott Morrison missed his chance. When the French President expressed his outrage at the cancellation of the battery powered submarine contract, Morrison should have suggested that his comments on betrayal, etc., be referred to the captain of the Rainbow Warrior.

what .... me about supposed scholars like Binoy is that it has long been discussed in the Australian media that there were major problems with the French submarine deal.

But any opportunity to sink the boot sin is taken up by such supposed masters of the political studies sphere in our universities

Never mind. By the end if this week the moving feast of claptrap will have moved on to the next breathless "crisis", and the offensive French will be forgotten and ignored as they usually are in Australia.

no doubt the Morrison govt is not perfect. I am yet to see one that ever was.

But Australia is in a difficult situation. It was standing up to China, but was also hoping that the relationship would improve given our pathetic reliance on basic export products, including international students.

I read a US piece where Australia was reluctant earlier in the year to commit to hosting long range missiles.

But now, Australia is in no doubt that it will never win over the disgusting CCP.

Hence, last week's agreement with its close friends, with the US and UK still the heavyweight champions of the free world for a variety of reasons

Thankyou Joe, Boris and Scott for providing us Covid crippled aussies with with a double slam that not only has pissed off the French and the Chianese, but managed to provide a distraction for the Greens away from their climate cultism. Great job and great uncle Joe would say "Come on man".

Now lets get serious and build nuclear power stations to save the Planet form that nasty, "poisonous" carbon dioxide stuff! Whoopee!

About time.

Conventional subs are only useful for local off shore protection and pretty much useless at projecting power. In protecting Aus trade routes against a Chinese fleet and limiting China from projecting power nuclear subs are the only choice.

Continuing with the French contract would simply be throwing good money after bad.

Spot on Shadowminister.... and the best bit about this deal, is that these subs will easily integrate into the US and UK navy systems AND, the USA/UK will not want the Chianese to defeat or capture this advanced technology, so they will try to support us in the inevitable economic and border conflicts that Chiana has planned for OZ.

As for the rubbish French stuff, they know its crap AND,.... they would give a damn if Chaina invades Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines of little old Ozzy philistines!

Guess what Binroy? I don't give a brass razoo if you don't like liberal democracies or all things American? If you don't share our values? Then leave! What this country needs as never before is solidarity and unity!

What we don't need is fifth colonists seeking division or to sow the seeds of sedition? Not saying, you know. But if the cap fits?
Alan B.

I was utterly amazed that Turnbull's ludicrous conventional sub deal was not canceled the moment he was chucked out. After all it was simply a trick to buy him election as PM, when seats in SA looked dodgy.

There was never any reason for us to build diesel powered subs, other than Turnbull's fear that ordering nuclear subs could cost a few wavering greenish votes.

Thank god sanity has prevailed. Morrison is looking a bit better. First telling the French to go jump, with their push to force us to abandon coal mining, & now this sub deal. Could he actually be growing the ability to handle the job?

This latest attempt at bully-boy warmongering by Biden, Johnston and Morrison would be laughable if its ramifications weren't so serious. What is it with little boys and their obsession over big submarines? Where is even the most rudimentary awareness of the huge environmental risks of these nuclear monsters polluting our oceans and creating toxic waste we're selfishly bequeathing to future generations, let alone the security risks of such needless provocation and one-upmanship? AUKUS has just cemented Australia's reputation as fawning sycophant to the US and has irrevocably stamped our country as a subservient and ever-expanding military target. Morrison is totally out of his depth. His so-called 'standing up to China' is the action of a fool.

Great stuff Bronwyn, why not volunteer with the KB (the author) and join the PRC party (problem is, they probably would want naïve woke fools for anything other than canon fodder, or to work as slaves in a "reconditioning facility" in Western Chiana!

Even better you could protest in the streets and write woke limp-wristed treatise in the Global Times about the foolish westerners who believe thy can resist Chaina's 100 year strategy for global unity.

If the Freedom of Chiana is too much for you, perhaps migration to NZ might suit you and KB, as they have no submarines and only two ageing Anzas class frigates, which won't pose much résistance to your comrades from Beijing.

How can any serious person interested in current affairs say anything kind about the CCP and its leadership of China?

yep, the US and West are hardly perfect, but the critics need to weigh up the alternative.

It is not until the recent talk about submarines that I have realised
the significance of the differences between diesel and nuclear
submarines has been apparent to me.
The French must also been aware how mad the idea of down converting an
existing design was, so why did they sign up for it ?
Did it just look like a giant honey pot ?

Give Britain a contract for two and the US a contract for two and then
build four of whichever is the best in SA.
We would get them much quicker and more reliably.

Anyway, China may get more desperate if their present troubles are
anything to go by. Did you see that news item about the big company
that has gone down the gurgler and had to demolish dozens of very high
blocks of units in Shanghai ?
Some had not reached the point of having windows fitted.
It was like watching dozens of World Trade centres except it was only
the investors millions that was lost not their lives.

Another article from an Author who appears to frequent a different Planet from the bulk of Australians

I did enjoy the comment

'Paris, along with EU member states, was in the process of formulating a clear Indo-Pacific strategy. Efforts were being made in creating "strategic partnerships" with Japan, Australia and India. Regional organisations such as ASEAN were being brought into the fold. Any "transatlantic pivot toward the Indo-Pacific" had to be taken "together".

Our Nuclear Subs will be scrapped before the EU states can agree on any military matters , TOGETHER . It's always 2 Euros each way with that lot .

As for ASEAN being brought into the fold ... Oh Dear !

Also as for 'Any "transatlantic pivot toward the Indo-Pacific" had to be taken "together".'

Only in the eyes of Bureaucrats in Brussels who have little interest in the defence of Australia .

Reading this Article was a waste of time .

its about we naïve in Australia that the only thing of value we "control" is this continent.

Our population is 26million (plus 300,00 native aboriginals).

This mega "landmass/continental" sized "aircraft carrier" is full of natural resources. So why do we still undervalue this continents value?

Chiana wants constrain, control and eventually own this valuable continent. So when will Australia learn to use its leverage>

About five years before, Australian conservative government made a deal and signed an agreement with France about submarines.
Then the conservative politicians foutght hard to convence us that the deal was the best one .
Fine years later the same conservative politicians try hard to convince us that the deal and contract was the worst one.
Can not the same conservative politicians for the same deal made by them say one time that the deal was the best deal and after that the same deal was the worst.
Australians deserve some respect.

Dear AnSymeonakis,

We do deserve better Pollies on all sides, but don't rewrite the facts/history to promote your anti-conservative narrative. Yes the subs contract was signed under a conservative government, but led by two labour wets in Emperor Mal and his SA minister Pine. Both promoted this deal (against ADF/Navy recommendations) to help save their one seat marginal hold on power (which had dropped from a 25 staggering large seat margin under Abbott).

The French deal was to shore up seats in SA, no more, no less.. pure modern ego driven politics. And if you feel sorry for your socialist chums in France, what about the Germans. Japanese and Swedish who all had batter bids than the French.

Politics is dirty, you shouldn't encourage them by hiding behind party politics. The French deal should have been investigated by a Royal Commission ( or an ICAC if we had one). That contact is one of the largest contracts on the global defence market, yet good old Ozzy pork-barrelling is what that deal was!

Emperor Mal is no more conservative than Julie Gilliard, if fact he was so useless to them that they wouldn't let him join the labour party before he joined the Liberals.

Alison Jane

"Our population is 26million (plus 300,00 native aboriginals)."

Since when have our First Nations people been excluded from our overall population statistics?

"Chiana wants constrain, control and eventually own this valuable continent. So when will Australia learn to use its leverage>"

Perhaps you could provide a direct quote or some definitive evidence of China wanting to 'control' and 'own' Australia.

Duuuuuhh, Bronkwyn!, just look at the economic attacks and social "persuasion" used against Australian Chinese. Also the Global Times and the use of shelf companies to buy up resources and industries. Non of which you or I can do in China.

Re Indigenous number, its left wing woke socialists who want to treat indigenous as special. As for me, we are all equal and deserve equal opportunity, not special treatment, rules, financing and rights, as activists promote on your fake "mob" side of politics.

AnSymeonakis

My understanding is that for some time prior to signing the contract for diesel subs with France Australia approached the US, UK and France to supply nuclear subs and all declined. The latest round got the US to supply Nukes while France still declined.

I'm surprised that in this article in the first two paragraphs- Binoy Kampmark was able to restrain himself from sinking the boot into Trump and talked about Trump in a positive way. Yes the grammar was a little disjointed and difficult to read but perhaps done in a rush. Kudos.

I'll read the rest of the article to see if there are any diamonds.

Canum... don't waste your time.... KB is a classic example of why Australia wastes so much money and expose students who want to learn/question to a University education. As an retired academic I try to engage with this generation of academics/professors... its a waste of time, them come from an indoctrination education system...

Chiana must be choking with laughter on our education system ... from primary, secondary, tertiary all the way to post-doc!

Canum if you want to understand the world... question what the media presents to you as fact!

Thanks Alison Jane for your kind comments.

Alison Jane

“Duuuuuhh, Bronkwyn!, just look at the economic attacks and social "persuasion" used against Australian Chinese. Also the Global Times and the use of shelf companies to buy up resources and industries. Non of which you or I can do in China.”

None of that proves that China is (as you claimed) wanting to ‘control’ or ‘own’ Australia. I suggest you tone down your Sinophobia.

“Re Indigenous number, its left wing woke socialists who want to treat indigenous as special. As for me, we are all equal and deserve equal opportunity, not special treatment, rules, financing and rights, as activists promote on your fake "mob" side of politics.”

I said nothing about wanting special treatment for indigenous people. I merely pointed out that they should be included in our overall population statistics, not insultingly presented as an add-on, as you did.

“As an retired academic I try to engage with this generation of academics/professors... its a waste of time, them come from an indoctrination education system...”

If you speak to them in the same manner you’ve spoken to me, I’m not surprised you were unable to engage with them. You might claim to have had a life in academia, but your posts certainly didn’t have me thinking I was listening to the voice of an academic!

Boo000 hooooo.... I am so "wounded" by your flakey response. Why not go a live in Chiana, they will surely make you a member of the CCP! "DuuuuuHHH ....NOT"

They know their game plan, and you are just a pawn in "100 strategic plan" (stated in 1949) that they tell you (and your ilk) nothing about.

Unfortunately I am too old to see the time when they get you to serve to serve them and laugh at fools like the naïve fools you are!

Try and read a bit more actual/real history and stop listening to the ABC, CNN, BBC and of course that great oracle " THE GLOBAL TIMES".

If the French think they were hard done by their intelligence service
was inadequate because the dogs were barking it in the street that the
contract was up for cancellation.
Everyone is used to defense contracts being out of date when completed.
This one was out of date well before it started.

It was inevitable, even on the grounds that area the subs would be
deployed in had shifted by 1000s of miles.