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King Abdullah cannot exclude Jordan from any two-state solution : Comments

By David Singer, published 5/8/2021

King Abdullah's continuing attempt to exclude Jordan from being part of any two-state solution remains the major obstacle to ending the 100 years old unresolved Arab-Jewish conflict.

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#Yuyutsu

You show scant concern for your family's safety in Israel when you state: "I won't miss any sleep over this Arab-Jewish conflict, nor would my family in Israel even if this conflict continues for another 500 years -- so why would you?"

Arabs knifing, running down and murdering Israeli citizens in the streets could include your family members as their victims. Hamas murderers firing missiles indiscriminately into Israeli population centres could claim your family as their victims.

That you are prepared to see this conflict continuing for another 500 years shows how little humanity you lack in wanting to see an end to the suffering by both Arabs and Jews over the last 100 years.

Shame on you.
Posted by david singer, Friday, 13 August 2021 5:41:48 PM
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Dear David,

Are you referring to the problems that Israel has with some of these so-called "Palestinians"?
If that's the case, then why did you not say so from the very start? Why confuse it with "Jews" and "Arabs"?

Israel is not the Jews (only some Israelis identify as Jews).
"Palestinians" are not the Arabs (only some Arabs identify as "Palestinians").

Israel's relationship with the Arab countries is improving in leaps and bounds.

Of course Israel has some problems - who doesn't, Australia too.
Of course I am concerned about Israel's problems (even while I do not care about this strange Arab-Jewish conflict that you babble about).

You are welcome to discuss Israel's problems if you even care about Israel as such, but for that you must first recognise Israel's independence - including from the United-Nations (and predecessors) and including from the Jews as such.

Israel (also Jordan) has enough problems of its own - it does not need to also take on board your private Jewish quarrels as well.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 14 August 2021 8:53:34 PM
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#Yuyutsu

You display your ignorance when you make the following comments:
1. "Of course I am concerned about Israel's problems (even while I do not care about this strange Arab-Jewish conflict that you babble about)."

This "strange Arab-Jewish conflict" began 100 years ago in the aftermath of World War 1 when there was no "Israel", no "Israelis" no "Palestinians", no "Jordan", no "Jordanians" - just "Jews" and "Arabs" - living in a very small area of territory forming part of the Ottoman Empire for the previous 400 years called "Palestine". The conflict has yet to be resolved today. Most Arab states and other Islamist nations still want to expel the Jews from - and dismantle - the Jewish State - Israel - created in 1948 on just 17% of "Palestine". The Arabs now have 78% and sovereignty in the remaining 5% is still unresolved.

2. "You are welcome to discuss Israel's problems if you even care about Israel as such, but for that you must first recognise Israel's independence - including from the United-Nations (and predecessors) and including from the Jews as such."

Israel is the Jewish National Home reconstituted under the League of Nations 1922 Mandate for Palestine - adopted unanimously by all 51 members of the League of Nations. The rights of the Jewish people created under that document are preserved by article 80 of the United Nations Charter.

Perhaps you should take the time to read the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the UN Charter - rather than spouting a lot of ignorant and ill-informed comments which indicate you have no understanding of the conflict, its origins, and the need to resolve it to end the disastrous effects it has wreaked on Arabs and Jews over the last 100 years.

Your claim that "Israel is not "The Jews" and Jordan is not "The Arabs" is contradicted by the century old history of Palestine. Starting that history from 1947 - instead of 1917 - is simply a perversion of history and you seem to have swallowed that Arab narrative hook, line and sinker.
Posted by david singer, Monday, 16 August 2021 4:28:55 PM
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Dear David,

I see that you refuse to recognise Israel as an independent country that stands on its own and acts solely on the will of its citizens, who owe nothing to any other bodies - Jewish or international, either current or historical.

Well you are in "good company": Iran and some other backward countries also refuse to recognise Israel - too bad for them because Israel stands strong and has enough nukes to eliminate them if it needs to.
They want Israel (or what's left of it) to serve their Muslim agenda while you want Israel to serve your Jewish agenda, there is no difference in principle between you.

The people of Israel will continue to do whatever they believe is good for them - neither for Iran nor for you!

I never claimed that the historical facts that you cite for the umpteenth time are incorrect - only that you ought to shove your irrelevant history where it belongs, and don't forget to flush the toilet afterwards.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 16 August 2021 5:03:03 PM
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Over the course of two days, on 14 and 15 May 2021, dozens of settlers, escorted by about 15 soldiers, came to the southern part of the village, attacking homes with stones and setting fire to four chicken coops belonging to three residents. Dozens of chicks burned to death. The coops and the chicken feed also burned down. The damage to the owners is estimated at hundreds of thousands of shekels. The settlers also set fire to a car parked in the area.

The Palestinian Red Crescent reported that during the clashes that ensued between the soldiers and village residents, 12 residents were injured by live fire and one by rubber-coated metal bullets, and dozens of residents suffered from tear gas inhalation.

This is the second attack by settlers on residents of Qusrah that B’Tselem documented in May: on 2 May 2021, settlers stoned village homes. Residents of Qusrah have been suffering from repeated settler attacks for years, including on their chicken coops.

The settlement outposts of Ahiya and Esh Kodesh were established about 800 meters away from the chicken coops attacked.

Read more in our state-backed settler violence blog: http://www.btselem.org/settler_violence_updates
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 16 August 2021 9:33:47 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

Again I implore you: what has that to do with the topic, about poor Jordan and its wise King Abdullah which the author wants to punish?

Now off topic, let me tell you what I would do about the situation in the West-Bank that you keep describing, if it was up to me:

I would make Israel withdraw within one month.

Any Israeli living in the West Bank will have the option: return to Israel and receive financial compensation for their home/business in the West Bank (and have all their goods and household items trucked back for free), or remain there and lose their Israeli citizenship.

Then build a strong and tall wall over Israel's [pre-1967] border line.
Then whatever happens over the other side of the wall, however the cards fall between the Jewish settlers and "Palestinians" will be left for them to settle and no longer be any of Israel's business: Good riddance of both!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 16 August 2021 9:52:35 PM
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