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King Abdullah cannot exclude Jordan from any two-state solution : Comments

By David Singer, published 5/8/2021

King Abdullah's continuing attempt to exclude Jordan from being part of any two-state solution remains the major obstacle to ending the 100 years old unresolved Arab-Jewish conflict.

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#Alan B

When was there a nation-state called Palestine?

#Yuyutsu

History and geography don't change - although borders might. Jordan comprises 78% of the land designated in the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine. Many Arab leaders have attested to that truth during the past 100 years. That is the reality that cannot be denied. Any settlement of the Arab-Jewish conflict cannot occur without Jordan's participation.

#Aidan

King Hussein did not cut the West Bank (not "Palestine" as you wrongly state) loose until 1988 - and then only under extreme pressure from the PLO - which still maintains its claim to rule in Jordan and remove the ruling Hashemite dynasty. The longer King Abdullah holds out negotiating with Israel, the more tenuous his rule in Jordan becomes.
Posted by david singer, Friday, 6 August 2021 5:22:10 PM
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Dear David,

So you want Jordan to care more for the league of nations than for themselves, you want them to sacrifice their character and well-being because the King's great-grandfather said something... well good luck with that, Jordanian are wiser than that crow that wanted to show the fox that he can sing!

«Any settlement of the Arab-Jewish conflict cannot occur without Jordan's participation.»

Then it won't, who cares?

Israel is not "The Jews" and Jordan is not "The Arabs", so why should Jordan care whether this Arab-Jewish conflict of yours is settled or not? More so at such a heavy price to themselves. You seem to be the only one here who still cares about settling this stupid age-old historical conflict!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 6 August 2021 5:41:42 PM
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#david singer

>When was there a nation-state called Palestine?

Since the Oslo accords of 1994.

>King Hussein did not cut the West Bank (not "Palestine" as you wrongly state)
>loose until 1988 - and then only under extreme pressure from the PLO

Yes, I concede the West Bank is not all of Palestine.
Nevertheless, the reason is valid and remains valid - the king's position is far more secure without internal threats to his power.

> which still maintains its claim to rule in Jordan and remove the ruling Hashemite dynasty.

But there's a big difference between passively maintaining a claim and actively pursuing it.

>The longer King Abdullah holds out negotiating with Israel,
>the more tenuous his rule in Jordan becomes.

That claim is utterly ridiculous. Right now Jordan is at peace with both Israel and Palestine. Trying to usurp the power to negotiate on behalf of those Palestinian people who aren't already Jordanian citizens would threaten both that peace and his rule.
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 6 August 2021 7:19:54 PM
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#Aidan

You state:

1.">When was there a nation-state called Palestine?

Since the Oslo accords of 1994"

What are the borders of this "state"? Who is its ruler?

2. "Yes, I concede the West Bank is not all of Palestine.
Nevertheless, the reason is valid and remains valid - the king's position is far more secure without internal threats to his power."

There are internal threats at the moment to Abdullah's power.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/jordan-coup-abdullah-plot/2021/04/03/2a517ed2-9498-11eb-a74e-1f4cf89fd948_story.html

3."Right now Jordan is at peace with both Israel and Palestine. Trying to usurp the power to negotiate on behalf of those Palestinian people who aren't already Jordanian citizens would threaten both that peace and his rule."

The Palestinian people Abdullah would be negotiating for were Jordanian citizens between 1950 and 1988. Restoring that citizenship would be a giant step in ending the Jewish-Arab conflict
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 12 August 2021 6:21:13 PM
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#Yuyutsu

You state:
"You seem to be the only one here who still cares about settling this stupid age-old historical conflict!"

There are a lot of concerned people trying to resolve this conflict - the UN, the EU, President Biden - to mention a few. Regrettably they are all going about it the wrong way IMHO. They have been proposing a solution for the last 54 years that has no prospect of ever happening
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 12 August 2021 6:26:45 PM
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Dear David,

«There are a lot of concerned people trying to resolve this conflict - the UN, the EU, President Biden - to mention a few.»

Alright, it is THEIR problem then, not mine, not Israel's and certainly not Jordan's. I won't miss any sleep over this Arab-Jewish conflict, nor would my family in Israel even if this conflict continues for another 500 years -- so why would you?

How could Israel and an increasing number of Arab countries have peace and warm relationships between them despite the said conflict?

Simply, because Israel is not "the Jews" and apparently these Arab countries are not "the Arabs" either.

Let then those who irrationally identify as "Jews" and "Arabs" solve the issues between them IF THEY WANT, or fight to their death otherwise. What's that to do with us?

(I guess these two groups are happy with how things stand, feel that they exist for fighting each other, get thrill from it and wouldn't like any outsiders to spoil their fun)

«The Palestinian people Abdullah would be negotiating for were Jordanian citizens between 1950 and 1988. Restoring that citizenship would be a giant step in ending the Jewish-Arab conflict»

That means that everyone under 33 was not yet born with a Jordanian citizenship while everyone under 43 was under 10 years old when losing their Jordanian citizenship: too young to remember and care about. Even then, only those above 54 actually lived in Jordan and only those over 64 may have significant memories of it.

Perhaps Jordan need not fear the older generations who could by now be settled and docile, but it's those youngsters who grew up and lived all their lives in violence, poverty, frustration, hate and a terrorist mindset. Who possibly in their right mind would want to take such people on and allow them to export that violence to their own country?

Possibly, I cannot tell, such a suicidal move by Jordan would be a giant step in ending the Jewish-Arab conflict - a pretty hefty price for something we need not worry about to begin with.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 12 August 2021 7:20:30 PM
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