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Barty’s embrace : Comments

By Andris Heks, published 12/7/2021

Yes, giving up is no longer an option for Barty. Having rolled over brilliant Gerber in the semi-final, she was not going to be a wilting flower.

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thinkabit,

There's an entire collection of material on the
history of Indigenous Australians available for
you to find on the web, in libraries and museums.
There's a history of indigenous Australians in
Wikipedia, if you prefer. Or you can Google
Aboriginal early history. If you Google the
Australian Museum they have information dealing
with Aboriginal people of coastal Sydney - where
Indigenous people lived around the coast and
estuaries of Sydney. There's the Port Jackson
Archaeology Project - and these include written
descriptions, oral histories and much more.

All you need it the time, effort, and willingness
to seek and you shall find. Anyway, have a nice
evening - and good hunting for information. I hope
that you shall at least make a go at it. That's how
we learn and grow.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 18 July 2021 8:09:07 PM
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Foxy you're simply not understanding what I'm saying. I don't deny that aboriginals have a history! And I don't deny that we now have an understanding of some of that history. BUT the point is, is that it is predominately non-traditional-aboriginals whose have established the vast majority of facts that we know about it.

For example, I just skimmed over the Indigenous Australian Wikipedia that you recommended. And guess what; to me it certainly seems that it accords precisely with the argument I'm making. Indeed, here is the first paragraph of its History section:

"Several settlements of humans in Australia have been dated around 49,000 years ago.[63][64] Luminescence dating of sediments surrounding stone artefacts at Madjedbebe, a rock shelter in northern Australia, indicates human activity at 65,000 years BP.[65] Genetic studies appear to support an arrival date of 50–70,000 years ago.[66]"

So, if this is traditional aboriginal knowledge then paint me yellow and call be big-bird. Because I've sneaky suspicion that the "luminescence dating" and the "genetic studies" that it mentions are a consequence/product of modern western science knowledge. But not only that, did you know that aboriginals never had numbers like 49,000 or 65,000? They simply never needed nor ever used nor ever even thought about specific numbers that large.

I also strongly suspect your suggested "Port Jackson Archaeology Project" will be also be the same. Why? Well, the clue is in part of the name: "Archaeology", ie. using modern western scientific methods to reconstruct details of the past!
Posted by thinkabit, Sunday, 18 July 2021 9:12:41 PM
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Many thanks Foxy for your new contributions.

It's crystal clear by now THINKABIT and INDIVIDUAL that behind all the APPARENT arguments you advance is your attitude of deep contempt for Aborigines, in particular their ancient history.

It is pointless to bring facts to your attention because as long as you cling to this underlying attitude of contempt, you will be simply unmotivated to adjust your views according to facts. You simply filter whatever you hear to cling to your prejudices.

Alas, we all do this to some extent, but what is important to me is to be aware of my prejudices and not to allow myself to become their puppet.

Neither of you seem to have the slightest desire to reverse with Aborigines and consider how your consistent belittling of their culture and dignity affect them, so THINKABIT I might have wasted my time above in inviting you to stand in front of a mirror.

May both of you find peace within yourselves without the need to disrespect and denigrate others.
Posted by Andris, Sunday, 18 July 2021 11:07:07 PM
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Foxy: What a tragedy about your Dad's premature death.
Pity his academic qualifications were not accepted here?

In 1964 when my mother, sister and I came to Sydney, my sister's first Uni. year of Medicine in Hungary was accredited to her at Sydney Uni.

Alas, I also lost my father prematurely in Hungary as a teenager, just before we came here.
He died of massive lung cancer resulting from heavy smoking.

He worried and smoked himself to death fearing that the Communists would confiscate his private practice as a medical doctor.

He did not lose his practice but he lost his life:

https://startsat60.com/opinion/blogs/i-remember-whistling-along-as-my-father-played-his-fiddle

https://startsat60.com/opinion/blogs/nostalgia-the-day-my-father-died

https://startsat60.com/opinion/blogs/nostalgia-religion-losing-my-faith
Posted by Andris, Monday, 19 July 2021 12:04:41 AM
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of deep contempt for Aborigines, in particular their ancient history.
Andris,
You're nothing but an agitator who is exploiting complex issues ! You misrepresent every word that is being said. You use oral past when it suits to veil modern failures & you exploit hindsight when it suits to highlight past fact !
It's because of people with your degree of hypocrisy that the indigenous are at this stage.
People like you make the worst historians because you see everything with hindsight, not in the context of an era.
You mean well but by doing so you create more problems just so you can feel good & benefit.
You obviously haven't a clue & I find it offensive in the extreme to be accused of contempt by a parasite who clearly has deep contempt for the Nation that put you up & feeds you !
You're a hypocrite !
Posted by individual, Monday, 19 July 2021 8:04:12 AM
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Individual.

Thank you for explaining to me who I am.

I rest my case.
Posted by Andris, Monday, 19 July 2021 8:32:09 AM
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