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Why Porter can’t claim victory after dropping ABC defamation case : Comments
By Augusto Zimmermann, published 3/6/2021The case was always going to be difficult to prove because it rested primarily on whether a casual reader would know 'beyond any doubt' that the unnamed cabinet minister was actually Porter.
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Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 3 June 2021 8:47:11 AM
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Porter should have kept his trap shut. Then he might have had a case against anyone who actually identified him. The ABC were not quite so stupid. His ego let him down.
David Posted by VK3AUU, Thursday, 3 June 2021 9:09:43 AM
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Yes, David. Silly people are too silly to know they are silly.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 3 June 2021 9:18:09 AM
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Hi ttbn & VK3AUU,
Sad but true. Sadly almost all Australian male politicians & public servants are weak men, easily used or abused by the Marxist Matriarchy. No Australian child will be safe until the Marxist Matriarchy is back in the kitchen where they belong. But fear not... After the Communist Chinese & Fascist Indonesian Muslims successfully colonise Australia the Marxist Femi-nazis will be completely domesticated. UCSR or Union of Chinese Socialist Republics = Double + Good... For the males who take over from us western weaklings, after our colonisation is complete. Just remember it will be YOUR grand-daughters on their knees before their new patriarchal leaders. Posted by imacentristmoderate, Thursday, 3 June 2021 10:33:31 AM
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Agree! Porter, I believe, self-identified by going bananas and threatening defamation. He has adroitly avoided fronting court and had an internal investigation into his character, pigeon-holed by parliament.
I would suggest he consider his future and life after politics. The old boy's club will probably sort something for him? A few board appointments and so on? Without bias. Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 3 June 2021 11:35:47 AM
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Some "victory", when the person who first brought the suit gets demoted, and hastily withdraws the suit, having won no damages. Unless he counts it as a "victory", that his legal team managed to circulate further smears against the (defenceless) alleged victim. What a chivalrous gent.
We come back to the question mainstream press doesn't want to pursue. Why did NSW Police suddenly pull the plug on their probe, at Deputy Commissioner level? They can't object, if I continue to assume it was a political stitch-up. Posted by Steve S, Thursday, 3 June 2021 12:08:57 PM
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Hi Alan B & Steve S,
Anybody who looks objectively at this case can see "beyond a shadow of doubt" that Christian Porter was 100% innocent of ALL allegations. The ruling, leftist elites gleefully pursue allegations against ALL males who are not radical, extreme left wing, which they KNOW in advance are false. Motive #1:- Leftist don't hate males. Leftists hate traditional families. Males whether boys or men, are merely collateral damage in the Marxist Matriarchy's war against the traditional family. Motive #2:- Leftists don't hate males. Leftists hate freedom & democracy. Leftists WANT Australia to be colonised by Communist China. Males are merely collateral damage in Leftism's war against modern, western civilisation. It's that simple. Posted by imacentristmoderate, Thursday, 3 June 2021 1:41:21 PM
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I suggest allegations were payback by the ABC for when Porter as AG authorised a police raid in June 2019. The ABC may also have been in a snit over George Pell's successful appeal so they wanted to land another big fish. Yet another motive for the ABC is solidarity with the sisterhood in their new woke format.
Personally I'd like to see the ABC smacked down in a way that would take them years to recover from. Currently their role seems to be as a taxpayer funded muckracker combined with a retinue of darlings dispensing moral superiority. Watch Q&A tonight to see if it isn't so. Posted by Taswegian, Thursday, 3 June 2021 2:37:22 PM
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Taswegian and farrightloonyindenial,
You seem to be suggesting the ABC made up the allegations! In reality all they did was report the allegations had been made - they didn't even say who against. The ABC were merely doing their job, and doing it far better than Porter did his. If he's politically finished now, all I can say is good riddance! Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 3 June 2021 3:12:00 PM
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Dear Taswegian,
Rubbish mate. The ABC reported directly on the facts of the case. “Australian Federal Police have been notified of a letter sent to Prime Minister Scott Morrison detailing an alleged historical rape by a Cabinet Minister in the federal government. The letter requests urgent action be taken by the Prime Minister to investigate the alleged rape, which occurred in 1988 before the accused man entered politics. The matter has also been referred to the Australian Federal Police. The letter was forwarded to AFP Commissioner Reece Kershaw by Labor's Leader in the Senate, Penny Wong, and Greens Senator Hanson-Young, who were also recipients of the letter. Four Corners understands that Commissioner Kershaw has briefed South Australia Police and NSW Police. The letter, shared with Four Corners by a friend of the complainant, attaches a detailed statement prepared by the complainant for her lawyer about the brutal rape she alleges took place.” http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/pm-senators-afp-told-historical-rape-allegation-cabinet-minister/13197248 All pretty bloody straight forward. What would you have preferred them to do? Ignore the story? How? They were given a copy of the letter set to politicians and police by a friend of the complainant. Should they have binned it? You seem to be putting that the story be squashed just because it was a coalition minister. How does that work in your mind? Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 3 June 2021 6:15:39 PM
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Hi Aidan, The ABC were NOT doing their job...
The allegations were 100% false, completely unfounded, without ANY evidence or basis in verifiable facts. It was KNOWN in advance that the female making these allegations was "NOT of sound mind" & highly likely to have made it all up. EVERY week 1 out of 10 domestic violence orders involves a case of real DV. 1 out of 10 domestic violence orders involve a male telling deliberate, premeditated lies about his intimate partner, committing acts of DV purely for financial gain during the property settlement. & 8 out of 10 domestic violence orders involve a female telling deliberate, premeditated lies about her intimate partner, committing acts of DV purely for financial gain during the property settlement. But of course you already knew that & want Australia to become a failed state. Hi SteeleRedux, The ABC KNEW that "the facts of the case" were NOT facts & pursued dodgy allegations anyway. Leftists lie & people die. All fail the fascist left. Posted by imacentristmoderate, Thursday, 3 June 2021 7:23:08 PM
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farrightloonyindenial,
The ABC were certainly doing their job. Though the allegations weren't proven, the ABC made it pretty clear they were just allegations not proof. As for their credibility, it is multiple orders of magnitude higher than your claim that 9 out of 10 DVOs are based on lies for financial gain. Your claim that I want Australia to become a failed state couldn't be further from the truth. I want Australia to be a land of truth, opportunity and a fair go for all. Why i that so hard for you to understand? Posted by Aidan, Friday, 4 June 2021 11:51:52 AM
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Hi Aidan, who is the most loyal member of the Chinese Communist Party in world history.
YOU want Australia to be a land of leftist lies. YOU want NO opportunities for Australians. YOU want an UN-fair go for Australians. YOU hate, loathe & despise Australian workers. YOU want Communist China to colonise Australia. Ruling left wing elitists like YOU are the most evil, subhuman animals in world history. NO Australian child will be safe until 100% of all EVIL leftists like YOU are jailed permanently, deported to a leftist nation like North Korea or are executed for treason. Posted by imacentristmoderate, Friday, 4 June 2021 1:30:18 PM
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So here's were we stand today as a society. A clearly disturbed women makes accusations against a prominent member of society...accusation which cannot be proved or verified in any sense either criminally or civilly. In other words, the accusations are, for all we know, the rantings of a deranged and vengeful mind. Equally, for all we know they may be true. But we'll never know.
Said prominent member of society is hated by some members of society because he is (1) a he and (2) a member of a disfavoured political group. So people who have been given a big megaphone on the public purse decide to use the rantings of the clearly disturbed women to destroy the prominent member of society. And mission accomplished. As a society, we are now at the point where any prominent member of society can be destroyed at the whim of those with a big megaphone irrespective of the facts and irrespective of any ability or even attempt to establish the facts. It may not be the society we want, although I suspect many on the left are more than happy with how this has turned out. They of course always fail to remember that these same new rules will one day be used against them. The revolution always eats its own. The same new rules were also used to destroy Michael Johnsen, another prominent member of society who was in a disfavoured group. The facts there were so flimsy that they could only be repeated under parliamentary privilege. Still, they got their man. And then we wonder why we can't get better people to put their hand up for election. Any conservative person with a dick would be insane to consider politics while-ever the ABC is allowed to run amok. Posted by mhaze, Friday, 4 June 2021 2:33:38 PM
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The notion that the ABC was just relaying the facts (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WDEuE9mwQHI/WmcyCPJXHFI/AAAAAAAAOI4/ai2P0QSjAGkcJqsS89rQnD_dSSKyES1jwCLcBGAs/s1600/dragnet.jpg) is just so much gumph.
The ABC and Louise 7-nil-again had an agenda from the outset. They had the aim of destroying their man and helping their favoured side and they did it with ruthless efficiency. They hide pertinent facts demonstrating just how deranged the accuser was. They encouraged the outrage mob if not actually creating it. They egged along, if not openly endorsing the claims that the women had been killed rather than committed suicide. They (the Insider programme for one) called for Porter's sacking based on what they now admit was unproven and unprovable accusations. They weren't just reporting the facts. They were creating a story-line based on deranged fantasies and then using that as a political weapon to advance their favoured side. Its a disaster for the nation, comparable, in the long term, to the lockdown fiasco. Posted by mhaze, Friday, 4 June 2021 2:44:41 PM
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Dear mhaze,
What unadulterated poppycock from you once again. Let's go through what the ABC report which they were being sued for asserted. That: “Australian Federal Police have been notified of a letter sent to Prime Minister Scott Morrison detailing an alleged historical rape by a Cabinet Minister in the federal government.” Fact! That: “The letter requests urgent action be taken by the Prime Minister to investigate the alleged rape, which occurred in 1988 before the accused man entered politics.” Fact! That: “The matter has also been referred to the Australian Federal Police.” Fact! That: “The letter was forwarded to AFP Commissioner Reece Kershaw by Labor's Leader in the Senate, Penny Wong, and Greens Senator Hanson-Young, who were also recipients of the letter.” Fact! That: “Four Corners understands that Commissioner Kershaw has briefed South Australia Police and NSW Police.” Fact! That: “The letter, shared with Four Corners by a friend of the complainant, attaches a detailed statement prepared by the complainant for her lawyer about the brutal rape she alleges took place.” Fact! What part of this should they have covered up in your opinion? Or should they have made an assessment of the woman's state of mental health and reported on that? Is that what you are saying. What you really want is a free pass for your LNP mates and a muzzled ABC don't you. Fair and balanced reporting is the furthermost thing from your mind isn't it. Get real. Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 4 June 2021 3:49:11 PM
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Get real SteeleRedux, ruling, left wing elitist trolls are the lowest form of life on earth.
Posted by imacentristmoderate, Saturday, 5 June 2021 11:08:03 AM
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Dear imacentristmoderate,
There wasn't a single part of the article that you could point to as no-factual so you just spit on to the page "left wing elitist trolls are the lowest form of life on earth". That makes you look as intelligent as a bloody brick. Give it a rest. Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 5 June 2021 11:24:21 AM
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SR,
Thanks for pointing out all the 'facts' that the ABC got right. But nowhere did I suggest otherwise, so rather a futile effort on your behalf. What I was pointing out was that the ABC hid a lot of the information that would have allowed for a better understanding of the actual story, and that they did that because they had a political agenda. They hid, for example, the fact that the woman's parents thought it likely that she'd 'confected' the story. They hid, for example, the fact that 6 years after (!!) the supposed rape, the woman thought she would marry Porter. They hid, for example, the fact that parts of her story such as the place where he'd supposedly gotten her pissed, didn't exist at the time. The hid all sorts of pertinent facts because they didn't fit their agenda, their narrative. It wasn't journalism, it was partisan activism. In short, it was typical ABC at its worst. It was just a more successful version of the Pell campaign. To make it easier for you to understand...they didn't lie, they just didn't tell the whole truth. Stock standard ABC. "What part of this should they have covered up in your opinion?" None. That's my point. Once they decided to publish they shouldn't have covered up anything. But they did. Of course, it would have been better not to publish until later. Remember the Shorten accusations? Probably not. But in that case the ABC and the rest of the legacy media decided to suppress the story until the authorities had completed their investigations. Only then did they report and then the emphasis was on the fact that Shorten had been found to not have a case to answer. That's the way these things should be handled. But the proprieties are only followed when the accused is a friend of the left. Otherwise its open season. Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 5 June 2021 1:08:36 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux, i happen to KNOW the article author, quite well.
He may soon be locking people like you up for a long time. Posted by imacentristmoderate, Saturday, 5 June 2021 2:51:06 PM
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Your moniker - "imacentristmoderate"
indicates that you would be prepared to give a hearing to other views. Unfortunately from your posts it appears that you are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 5 June 2021 3:47:41 PM
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Dear mhaze,
Oh rubbish. Omitting stuff, deceiving or even outright lying is how the Murdoch press operate without any criticism from you. The ABC is not like that at all. You conceded they did not lie in the article and that "they didn't lie", yet you were fully supportive of Porters suing them. How does that work in your mind? They stuck to the facts as we expected them to do which is why they didn't have a case to answer, something Porter was finally convinced of. End of story. Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 5 June 2021 3:58:31 PM
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SR,
"outright lying is how the Murdoch press operate" I don't read the murdoch press so I wouldn't know. Also I stopped claiming moral equivalence as an excuse when I was about 10. Don't worry you might get there as well. Note also I never said they lied. That's just your atrocious comprehension skills. I can't help but notice that you aren't even bothering to defend the fact that your ABC left out pertinent evidence simply because it didn't suit their agenda. "yet you were fully supportive of Porters suing them" Well I never expressed full support. That's just your atrocious comprehension skills. I did however say I was looking forward to the fun. Forcing the ABC to admit they couldn't prove their claims even to a civil level is a poor substitute for that fun, but a nice outcome nonetheless. Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 5 June 2021 5:19:38 PM
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Dear Foxy, If it deliberately, premeditatedly creates more poverty, creates more domestic violence & creates more child abuse, is it a human being & does it have a right to any "view" about anything at all, or even to exist?
Besides this is the miracle of a multicultural planet. As they say on SBS "the world is an amazing place". If freedom & democracy is not to your liking? By all means move to a communist country, instead of changing a free democratic country into a communist hell hole. North Korea is lovely this time of year, enjoy. Posted by imacentristmoderate, Saturday, 5 June 2021 6:36:50 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux, OH rubbish yourself...
What makes you think any of us are stupid enough to believe that Newscorp is wonderful? Newscorp is like the Liberal-National coalition. The LNP is less evil than the Labor-Green Socialist Alliance with Communist China, but only slightly less evil & certainly not wonderful. Newscorp is not as bad as the 100% evil ABC, but that doesn't make it wonderful, just less evil than the ABC. No Australian child will be safe until the 100% evil ABC has been wiped out or cleaned up. Why do you think i am on OLO? OLO is more positive than lying, leftist media. Posted by imacentristmoderate, Saturday, 5 June 2021 6:47:24 PM
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Hi imacentristmoderate,
I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you've posted to me. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 5 June 2021 7:24:05 PM
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Hi Foxy, You are halfway right. I do NOT think, feel, believe or have an opinion about anything.
I actually DO accept the settled science. The data is in. The scholarly research has been done. Left wing feminism creates more poverty, creates more domestic violence, creates more child abuse & has never done anything else that could be described as being positive. Feminism is Communist Cultural Cancer & ALWAYS has been. Please explain to me why the Russian Communist Party of Australia & Russian Communist party of the USSR could have policies that are exactly opposite to each other at the same time in the 1970s, when they both support the same ideology? Why was the official Russian CPA pro-feminism & the Russian CP of the USSR anti-feminism at the same time in the 1970s? If you are a left wing feminist? Then you are 100% evil, whether i believe it or not. Posted by imacentristmoderate, Sunday, 6 June 2021 2:38:58 PM
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The victory that Porter achieved is that the ABC was forced to admit that there was absolutely no substantive evidence whatsoever. This renders any claims against his integrity worthless.
It has also cost the ABC $780 000 with $100 000 of this being paid to Porter's lawyers. Secondly, Augusto's assertion that the case" rested primarily on whether a casual reader-rather than a highly politically engaged individual-would know "beyond any doubt" that the unnamed cabinet minister was actually the former attorney-general." is bollocks. The test is whether any readers could reasonably identify Porter. That many did blows the ABC's case out of the water. The ABC faced about a further $1.5m in legal fees alone and knew that it could not win. Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 12:11:14 PM
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Some sympathy for Porter initially, none now. Another big win for the ABC over the weak Liberals, whom they need fear no more than they do their Labor mates.