Dear SteeleRedux,

Mate i had relatives of Senator Larissa Waters around the Christmas dinner table when i was younger & my best mate at school is a cousin of former ALP MP Arch Bevis. I grew up around the corner from former ALP deputy Lord Mayor Frank Waters when Clem Jones was Lord Mayor of the Brisbane City Council.

When i was "young & stupid" leftist ideas sounded slightly sensible to me. To my eternal shame i even gave my preference votes to Comrades Hawke & Keating after voting #1 for the Australian Democrats.

What a naive, idealistic fool was i?

Then earlier this century i grew up, got over myself, joined the mainstream of Australians who love freedom & democracy.

Unlike you who loves slavery & communism. All fail the fascist left.

Dear imacentristmoderate,

Get your hand off it mate.

Your side of politics absolutely loved and supported some of the most draconian surveillance laws since WW2 shoved through by Dutton.

Your side of politics cheers when powers of detention were granted to the above minister which would have made the Stazi smile.

Your side of politics squeal with delight as truck loads of vote buying and democracy squashing corporate donations are shoved into LNP coffers.

Your side of politics are more than comfortable with a foreign, hard right newspaper owner completely skewing the public debate in this country to serve our billionaire class.

The only parts freedom and democracy you care about are the ones that serve you in particular and your politic in general. The rest can go jump it seems.

Dear SteeleRedux, You're joking aren't you mate?

Anybody who would vote for the Major Mistakes parties is so extremely mentally ill, they should be taken out to the RSPCA & humanely put down with the other dangerous dogs.

You are forgetting the mid 1990s when both sides of politics claimed Pauline Hanson was racist & then copied her policies almost word for word. But you already knew that didn't you?

Hi imacentristmoderate,

SR might be more of a leftist, but any attempt to label me as such is laughable.
I openly supported Trump in 2016;
- I wouldn't be seen anywhere near people who identify themselves as 'progressive'.

Until recently I thought of myself as much more of a conservative;
- Until I saw the kind of mindless crap coming out of SKY channel during COVID.
And now I don't wish to be associated with them either.

I'm my own person, I think for myself and I don't want to be pigeon-holed into any gang.
I don't like the gang mentality, or peer pressured into commonly held positions.

As for David, well trying to say I support Hamas is kind of stupid as well;
- Because I'll openly disparage any religion (and often do) if I think credit is due.
- With my criticisms, none of them would have me.

I'm more about ethics, and I'll stand up for what I think is right regardless of what other commenters on the forum think.

shadowminister
"Both of you are by all common definitions anti-semitic. Deal with it."

Do you understand I don't even care how you try to gift wrap my criticism?
(My opinion about the term 'anti-semite' is that it's a completely made up word that doesn't mean anything)

- I'll criticise whatever I want, if I think the argument holds merit.
- And I'm not going to change.

It doesn't matter what names you call me to try to coerce me to not say whatever it is I think.
- Because I'm still going to say what I think regardless.

"I am more than happy to correct your comments about the Balfour Declaration"

- And I'm more than happy to correct you.

You say:

"2. The civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities were indeed not to be prejudiced. But no mention of them having any political rights appeared in the Declaration because they had none - having been subjects of the Ottoman Empire for over 400 years."

Weasel words (You are a lawyer).
What are you saying it was just put in there for a show of goodwill but doesn't actually mean anything?
- I don't think that what your suggesting is in the spirit of what's conveyed in that document, sorry.

Your saying that since they were mere cattle under Ottoman rule with no existing rights prior to 1948, there was no onus to treat them other than mere cattle into the future?

What's the actual deal there anyway?

Because the crypto-jews helped undermine the Ottoman empire?
- That's why Aussies including my Great Grandfather who was a Lighthorseman and made CO on the battlefield after his CO was shot...
Were try to win a war in trenches of dysentery at Gallipoli?
And what was the payoff for the crypto-jews help?
That stupid Balfour document?
... But I digress

Your arguments do however seem to omit other facts.
Like the Atlantic Charter 1941 and United Nations 1945
- Both of which recognised the right to self determination.

In my mind David - any previous deal to establish a purely Jewish state is no longer realistically possible from this point onwards.
- Because the people living there now have a recognised human right of self determination.

This one was never going to end well for you David sorry.
- You just can't blow up media buildings with 5 minutes notice and not expect criticism.