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How David Attenborough and the catastrophist crew have humanity wrong : Comments

By Graham Young, published 5/5/2021

He's not the only environmentalist to downgrade and misclassify homo sapiens, but it is a damaging mistake to pretend that, somehow, we are not members, albeit the most outstanding members, of nature.

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Andras,

You may have a different job now, but 10 years ago, you were spruiking the same line, that people who didn't want extremely high population growth were white supremacists. After all, they couldn't possibly be upset about the damage from more pressure on the enviromment, unaffordable housing, water shortages, overloaded infrastructure and public services, very few apprenticeships for our young people, and so on. You didn't declare your own financial interest in high immigration, of course, and Malcolm King was also very cagey about whether he stood to benefit from it.

There is no evidence that either Sustainable Population Australia (SPA) or the Sustainable Australia Party have any interest in race or eugenics, so you need to go far back in time to make your tenuous claims, to John Tanton, who was born in 1934. Well guess what? George Washington actually owned slaves! Here are links to the policies of both SPA and Sustainable Aistralia. Gold star if you can find anything racist or fascist.

http://population.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/SPA_population_position_and_policy_statement-April-2021.pdf
http://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies
Posted by Divergence, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 7:37:00 PM
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Good try, whingeing and moaning dressed up as informed analysis? What's next wheel out environmentalists Paul Ehrlich, Dick Smith, Bob Birrell, Bob Carr and Kelvin Thomson for testimonials?

The whole population movement stinks, and King managed to have the former head of SPA, O'Connor admit to hosting in Canberra Ehrlich's mate John Tanton an admirer of the 'white Oz' policy (while the former is more frequent visitor); not sure what is says about others including former Labor MPs?

Tanton who died few years ago, described by the NYT as 'The most influential unknown man in America' (I'd suggest along with deep south radical right libertarian economist James Buchanan), from SPLC on Tanton's legacy (runs across the Anglosphere):

'John Tanton, the racist architect of the modern anti-immigrant movement, has left behind a legacy that spawned more than a dozen nativist organizations, driven an anti-immigrant agenda for four decades, and found friends in the White House.

Tanton created groups that billed themselves as fact-based think tanks and lobbyists. Instead, those groups spread propaganda targeting immigrants that has become central to President Trump’s immigration policy.'

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/07/18/john-tantons-legacy
Posted by Andras Smith, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 8:01:55 PM
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Andras,

You are an idiot if you think that either population or consumption can grow without limit on a finite earth, and you are ill-informed if you think that Australia can support a much larger population, except at a very much lower standard of living for the vast majority of the population. Australia is essentially a small- to medium-sized country wrapped around a big uninhabitable desert. Most of what isn't desert is semiarid range land that might feed a scattering of sheep or cattle in a good year. 85% of our population live within 50 km of the coast, so your migrants would end up on a narrow coastal strip, forcing its entire development with consequent mass extinctions. Our inland towns were in danger of running out of water in the last drought, even with their existing populations, not to mention the massive fish kills.

Only 6.2% of Australia is arable, and the average quality of that arable land is very low compared to Europe. We can feed around 60 million people in a good year (less than France alone) and half that many in a drought year. We have terrible problems with land degradation.

In some very important ways, the standard of living of ordinary people is much less than in the 1970s. Wise up. You need to think beyond lining your own pocket or burnishing your anti-racist credentials.

John Tanton has nothing to do with SPA and similar organizations, and hasn't for a very long time. Of he were still alive, he would be nearly 90 years old. You don't have much, if you have nothing but ancient history. You need to show that these organizations are promoting racism now.
Posted by Divergence, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 12:42:46 PM
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"While in Australia we have on of the worst records in the world."

According to the FAO (Forest and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations) (yes the UN so people like SR are genetically required to believe everything they say)....well according to them, Oceania, which is primarily Australia, between 2010 and 2020 REforested by 400,000 ha. That is we ADDED 400,000 ha of forest in that period. Europe similarly ADDED 300,000 ha. The US ADDED 100,000 ha in that period. (Indeed the US has MORE forest now than whn Columbus arrived due to the decline in the buffalo herds) Asia ADDED 1.2 million ha.

So where does the great deforestation scare some from? South America LOST 2.6 million ha. Africa LOST 3.9 million ha.

So SM's statement that "development is the answer" is spot on. But that's only true if the facts matter, and for many, feelings and virtue signalling trump facts.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 12:50:15 PM
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SR,

With all due respect, Australia is far from the worst. Compare this to South America, Africa, India and we are far better.

The tiny nation of Costa Rica is not representative of the entirety of the 3rd world nor is Australia representative of all OECD countries.

Also, you were the one to draw the link between care for animals and anti-human sentiment, and being conservative does not mean that there is no sympathy for animals.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 13 May 2021 10:42:47 AM
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Why do you put blind faith in dubious sources?
Aidan,
I do no such thing ! I merely put up for OLOers' to see what weird things are being put up by people. None of which I agree with or approve of !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 13 May 2021 6:40:56 PM
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