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How David Attenborough and the catastrophist crew have humanity wrong : Comments

By Graham Young, published 5/5/2021

He's not the only environmentalist to downgrade and misclassify homo sapiens, but it is a damaging mistake to pretend that, somehow, we are not members, albeit the most outstanding members, of nature.

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Dear individual,

Once again it took just 20 seconds to find yet another one of your claims is utter crap.

http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/greta-thunberg-chopsticks/

"Other red flags in this post indicate the rumor is little more than an invented anecdote to mock the teenager. For starters, we found that this story was being shared almost exclusively by people expressing a negative view of Thunberg."

Why do you think you continue to do this
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 8 May 2021 9:15:54 AM
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SteeleRedux,
You believe one lot, I rather trust the other !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 8 May 2021 6:10:49 PM
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individual,
Why do you put blind faith in dubious sources?

Anyway, considering you claimed she'd said it "just now" and Snopes debunked it almost a year ago, it's clear you're spreading lies.

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mhaze,
I never claimed the interview was his full body of work.
I asked for a reference because I strongly suspect you're another of those people who are spreading lies. And as expected, you can't provide one.

Did you make up the lies yourself? Or did you read them online somewhere?
Are you so imbecilic that you thin everyone in "the environmentalist movement" thinks that the human element ought to be removed from nature?

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Cuberland,
You're lying too: I didn't mention CO2 in this thread.
And try watching the BBC link I supplied - Attenborough himself has a pretty good answer to your question!
Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 9 May 2021 8:53:00 AM
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It seems everyone who disagrees with whatever Aidan wants to be true is a liar.

Attenborough's anti-humanism is something that one sees in most of his work these days. Aidan picks out one interview where it's less prevalent and wants to pretend that is the sum-total of his hero's thoughts.

When Attenborough and his propagandists found footage of walrus falling to the deaths from cliffs, he didn't just report an interesting though tragic natural event. He concocted a story that ultimately blamed humans for the tragedy. That his concoction was wrong and was ultimately shown to be wrong and a lie (Aidna knows all about them) is ignored and he carries on as though he wasn't found out. As do his flying-monkeys - no names here but Aidan does spring to mind.

O try this quote from the environmentalist's mouthpiece... "We are a plague on the Earth. It's coming home to roost over the next 50 years or so. It's not just climate change; it's sheer space, places to grow food for this enormous horde." We are a plague he claims....but don't dare point out his anti-humanism or Aidan will label you a liar.

Oh how will I ever live down the ignominy.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 9 May 2021 11:32:03 AM
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There is a distinction between people who see humans as totally negative, and those of us who want a reasonable balance, for our own right to have decent lives that allow human flourishing as well as for the other species and the continuation of Earth as a viable home for humanity. There is an article in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA giving biomass estimates for various species. Apart from aquatic species, 96% of mammal biomass is us humans and our domestic animals. Only 4% is all the wild mammals put together. The biomass of chickens alone is three times that of all the wild birds put together.

http://www.ecowatch.com/biomass-humans-animals-2571413930.html
http://www.pnas.org/content/115/25/6506

Why do people like Cumberland want it to be 100%, so that the largest surviving land animal is a cow? What is the advantage of more of us living in a vast factory farm for people, with no human dignity and no freedom, because the environment is in such a precarious state that no one can be allowed to rock the boat? Where is your evidence that the many scientists claiming that we are destabilising some of our life support systems are all fools or liars?

http://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/planetary-boundaries/planetary-boundaries/about-the-research/the-nine-planetary-boundaries.html
Posted by Divergence, Sunday, 9 May 2021 7:53:52 PM
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>It seems everyone who disagrees with whatever Aidan wants to be true is a liar.

No, mhaze, this isn't about what I want to be true - this is about people posting what they want to be true despite a complete lack of evidence.

You only have to read this thread to see that Cumberland's accusation that I was contradicting myself is false. And do you doubt individual is lying when he claimed that Greta had "just now" made a claim that Snopes debunked her making a year ago?

And despite your whataboutery, I see that you still haven't provided any evidence for your claim that David Attenborough goes on to assert that the human element ought to be removed from 'nature'.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 10 May 2021 1:43:41 AM
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