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Australia or Sweden: which has had the better 2020? : Comments

By Paul Frijters, published 19/4/2021

In that 510,000 wellbeing years is all the misery caused by lockdowns and social distancing: all the cancelled weddings, all the additional cases of depression, all the extra anxiety.

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Dear mhaze,

You spray: “As the data starts to accumulate, it is clear that the lockdowns were/are a monumental error for which populations in places like Australia will be paying for years to come.”

No it isn't clear at all, rather the exact opposite. Boris didn't go hard like we did and schools in England were ultimately forced to close and are yet to reopen.

Sweden was the only Scandinavian country whose GDP rate retreated last quarter.

You also wrote: “However, the research and information that the lockdowns were a severe error is becoming so overwhelming that its unlikely to be repeated in the future.”

So overwhelming that you can't link to a single bit of it?

Mate I am surprised you are even commenting on this topic as it has been so much of a poisoned well for you in the past. Projection after projection of yours was shown to be completely wrong and you just ended up repeatedly looking like a dill.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 19 April 2021 1:31:49 PM
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Ho hum.

Spending large swathes of time stoically building on my well being on boats and underwater, I don’t notice much has changed.

What pandemic. Have I missed something?

DAN
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 19 April 2021 1:50:36 PM
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>Most Australians are pretty darn grateful for what our leaders have done to keep the scourge of Covid from inflicting a Sweden style nightmare on us

Most Australians are idiots but then that's why we have idiots leading us, so I wouldn't use that as an appeal to sensibility.

A lack of granular lock down was ridiculous the state based locked downs were appalling, we are supposed to be one nation not a bunch of insular, small minded states all designed to show which premier had the "biggest swinging dick" and not allowing Australian citizens back into the country (and then quarantine) was appalling beyond words. They have had 18 months to put together a massive quarantine station or lease an empty resort and fly them there but no...

I wish we had adopted a Swedish style system, with better isolation for aged cared facilities and kept us informed and giving advise only, like wearing masks etc I don't need to hold mummies hand because I am scared of the bogger man.

None of this had anything to do with saving lives, if it did cars would be band (direct deaths and indirect deaths form air pollution), alcohol would be banned, cigs would be banned and on and on
Posted by Valley Guy, Monday, 19 April 2021 2:39:27 PM
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"No it isn't clear at all, rather the exact opposite."

Well obviously it isn't clear to you SR...I was talking about people who are vaguely numerate.

Indeed as I read the article I smiled at how far over your head it was going to go given that it involved things like ratios other highfalutin math-y stuff.

I've already shown you a few of the many analyses showing how lockdowns failed or, more precisely, were ineffective. Although, it seems, all of those analyses flew over your head. Think of it like this...

Victoria, was arguably the most gung-ho of the Australian states as regards lockdowns. Even if they were perhaps less stringent than say, WA, their government instituted lockdowns with their normal totalitarian fervour. Yet despite their lockdown frenzy they still managed to have 90% of the total Asutralian deaths.

Likewise NewYork/NewJErsey in the US were among the most strident in terms of lockdowns Yet they managed to suffer death rates higher than almost all other major jurisdictions worldwide. Their lockdowns were a complete failure.

I know this will elude you, but that's what the data shows. As more and better data comes through, and as we learn about the long-term effects of the lockdowns, the truth will become even more obvious. Who knows, maybe one day it'll become so obvious that even people like you will see it.

In the meantime, I remain rather chuffed that I was able to draw attention to these truths over a year ago.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 19 April 2021 3:04:28 PM
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Things that have happened in Australia since the China virus which have the ring of China itself, or North Korea and any other totalitarian dictatorship.

Surveillance and tracking.
Encouragement to dob in people.
A pregnant woman arrested for making a Facebook post.
Police violently arresting people for breaking newly invented laws.
People compelled to cover their faces.
Huge fines under the fiction of health.
Prevention of travel within your own country.
Arbitrary confining people to their own homes.
Talk of vaccination 'passports' for domestic movement and activities.

All on the whims of unelected bureaucrats, with no second opinion from specialist scientists who have cast doubts on lockdowns and psychological-damaging isolation and separation from loved ones.

The political class has got away with this oppression, and we can expect more of it in the future unless we speak up now.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 19 April 2021 3:27:39 PM
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Dear Valley Guy,

I think it was the leadership of the states which got us over the line. Morrison was spouting in June that we were going to have to live with the virus and wanted the borders opened up ASAP. Thankfully the states told him to take a hike. Now he is over in the West telling their premier what a great job he had done helping to keep the economy going. The think is it was done off the back of iron ore prices which exploded because of Covid rampaging through the Brazilian iron ore sector. Our could have been decimated too but wasn't because of state leadership.

Dear mhaze,

Vaguely numerate? That got a laugh. You have been so exposed as having such a rudimentary understanding of figures by me and others you rarely quote them now. Your infamous predictions for Covid are now OLO legends.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 19 April 2021 4:29:15 PM
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