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We’ll need to pay a higher defence premium under Biden : Comments

By Graham Young, published 17/11/2020

In return for being one of the US's most reliable allies, Australia expects and hopes, that in the event of any serious threat to our borders, the US will come to our aid.

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Dear GrahamY,

Mate that piece was so full of projection it makes my head spin.

Trump wanted allies to pay more but you say it will cost us more under Biden.

Trump and his team were utterly compromised by their relationships with Russia without even mentioning Trump's secret Chinese bank account.

Ivanka Trump's trademarks deals with China are now out in the open.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/22/ivankas-trademark-requests-were-fast-tracked-in-china-after-trump-was-elected/?sh=5b6ea13e1d60

How on earth can you equate Hunter Biden's actions as in any way comparable?

Hunter Biden is not directly employed by the White House at any stage nor directly represented the US government.

That is only scratching the surface of your article. The biggest disappointment for me is you not being able to concede the Biden win. That is just nutty.

Trump is a venal corrupt man who will hopefully be fully investigated. The fact that you have gone into bat for him so strongly touting highly disputed assertions about his performance as President is worrying to say the least. Trumpism rules I suppose.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 4:30:48 PM
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Hasbeen,

There's an interesting article in Quadrant Online of 5th November called, "Defending Australia with Lemons" that you might find interesting.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 4:40:46 PM
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AN AUSTRALIAN NUCLEAR PROGRAM IS THE OBVIOUS CURE

1. Well said SteeleRedux

And while Trump puts the Election in doubt, based on No Evidence of vote rigging

Trump spends more hour playing GOLF than trying to coindinate America's response to the Covid Crisis.
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2. The author says "Time for Australia to boost its defence capacity...and renovating our defence force...self-insurance is a necessary and complementary strategy to paying a defence insurance premium to the USA."

without prescribing how.
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3. HOW

Fortunately Australia is buying the first diesel versions of the French Barracuda NUCLEAR submarine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barracuda-class_submarine_(France)

The Australian public is Not Yet ready to OK Australia purchasing the French Barracuda Nuclear Propelled submarine but will be by 2030, by which time:

(A) the Chinese threat will create sufficient fear.

and

(B) Australia will have started building 4 diesel Barracudas (known as Attack class) from the early 2030s. There will be time to modify the first 4 to the original Barracuda NUCLEAR propelled baseline and could be armed with nuclear warhead cruise missiles.

(C) IfAustralia sticks with the French Nuclear path the next 4 subs could be nuclear armed ballistic missile (SLBM) firing submarines, known as SSBNs. Fortunately France already has new SSBNs on the drawing board, known as SNLE 3G, to be built in France from the 2030s.

From the early 2020s until stage (C) the US will decide that Australia switching such vast sums to a French alliance is disturbing for America's military industrial complex. The will be far more attentive and forthcoming with nuclear weapons for us - its Australian ally.

(D) If you want to get a "new idea" read an "old book". Prime Minister John Gorton's NUCLEAR DETERRENT

see http://www.smh.com.au/national/when-australia-had-a-bombshell-for-us-20080705-32ai.html
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 5:53:48 PM
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CORRECTION - LONGER VERSION

AN AUSTRALIAN NUCLEAR PROGRAM IS THE OBVIOUS CURE

1. Well said SteeleRedux

And while Trump puts the Election in doubt, based on No Evidence of vote rigging

Trump spends more hours playing GOLF than hours coindinating America's response to the Covid Crisis.
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2. The author says "Time for Australia to boost its defence capacity...and renovating our defence force...self-insurance is a necessary and complementary strategy to paying a defence insurance premium to the USA."

without prescribing how.
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3. HOW

Fortunately Australia is buying the first diesel versions of the French Barracuda NUCLEAR PROPELLED submarine (SSN) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barracuda-class_submarine_(France)
Those French subs are relatively small, relatively cheap compared to larger, more expensive, US legally blocked US/UK nuclear subs.

The Australian public is Not Yet ready to OK Australia purchasing the French Barracuda Nuclear Propelled submarine but will be by 2030, by which time:

(A) the Chinese threat will create sufficient fear.

and

(B) Australia will have started building 4 diesel Barracudas (known as Attack class) from the early 2030s. There will be time to modify the first 4 to the original Barracuda NUCLEAR propelled baseline and could be armed with nuclear warhead cruise missiles.

(C) If Australia sticks with the French Nuclear path the next 4 subs could be nuclear armed ballistic missile (SLBM) firing submarines, known as SSBNs. Fortunately France already has new SSBNs on the drawing board, known as SNLE 3G, to be built in France from the 2030s.

Note that France has a track record of helping Israel build nuclear weapons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimon_Peres_Negev_Nuclear_Research_Center#Construction and the missiles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(missile) to carry them. France then conducted Joint Nuclear Tests with Israel in the Sahara and Pacific.

From the early 2020s until stage (C) the US will decide that Australia switching such vast $ sums and a nuclear future to a French alliance is disturbing for America's military industrial complex.

The USA will be far more attentive and forthcoming with nuclear weapons for us - its Australian ally.

(D) If you want to get a "new idea" read an "old book". Prime Minister John Gorton's NUCLEAR DETERRENT

see http://www.smh.com.au/national/when-australia-had-a-bombshell-for-us-20080705-32ai.html
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 6:09:46 PM
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BiIDEN&CHINA
If you watched the news after the media declared Biden president&he visited China.
The CCP leader had bottles of champagne laid out to welcome him.The Leaders had the biggest smiles on their faces. China was thrilled to have their puppet Biden back. They have Biden bythe short& curlies because they would only have to go on the news tomorrow and, say yes, “Biden did take millions in bribe money from us,”and the Western media could no longer pass it off as notproven.

EKECTION RESULTS.
ON Election Day the results were not close at all, as the media kept saying.. PrTrump was winning in most states with big majorities.
He won Texas early, but the media didn’t call it.He was 600,000 votes ahead in Pensylvania,150,0000,10,000 etc ahead in other states.
The Republicans won big time all over the country,plus they acquired more seats in the house. It makes no sense that people would vote overwhelmingly Republican and not vote for Pres Trump. The Democrat states would not allow independent oversight of the counting in some areas. That is illegal in Australia.

DOMINION VOTE RIGGING COMPUTERS
They used the known vote election rigging—Dominion computers. Which were used to rig the elections in Venezuela. And in one instance where there was a genuine scrutiniser, it was noticed that the computer put 12,000 votes for Pres Trump over into Biden’s count.
When challenged they said “it’s just a glitch we can fix it”. So they did and it put the votes back over on PrTrump’s side. Obviously they also knew how to cause the glitch as well. Funny how the glitch favoured Biden.

DEMOCRAT STATE JUDGES change voting rules.
This is being challenged in court by PrTrump. Because under the constitution, only state legislature can change voting rules. The change in rules allowed them to count ballots that came in after Election Day as long as they had the 3rd stamped on them.Witness says her supervisor told her to backdate them. This allowed theDemocrats to know how many Trump had won by& put in the extra votes so it didn’t look too suspicious.
Posted by CHERFUL, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 8:32:49 PM
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Hasbeen,
I agree with your defense assessment. It makes a dismal outlook.
The companies involved in fracking for oil are in real trouble with
the Wall St financiers. The cost of drilling further out from the
sweet spots is adding up. I do not see the six sisters just giving
up their business because of global warming.
They are a lot tougher than that.

As far as China is concerned there have been a few economic studies
that can see China in a real financial bind that no money printing
or bond selling/manipulation will overcome. The problem is as far as
I could understand is related to the available resources whether
internal or imported and their populations requirements.
They have already exhausted many of their internal sources and are
starting to see resistance from import suppliers.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 9:36:50 PM
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