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The green road to blackouts : Comments

By Viv Forbes, published 2/9/2020

California leads the way to electricity blackouts, closely followed by South Australia. They both created this problem by taxing, banning, delaying or demolishing reliable coal, nuclear, gas or hydro generators.

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The cowards in the Liberal Party know the Paris agreement is a total fraud, they know gw is crap, they know renewables are unreliable and have pushed power prices through the roof. They know the Turnbullites were frauds. The fact that Trump has shown the world how to have reliable cheap energy should enpower them to have an ounce of courage and rip up the Paris agreement. Don't hold your breath while China and others build numerous coal fire plants while laughing while they collect our cheap coal and send us their overpriced solar panels.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 2:18:28 PM
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Hurrah, someone else raising these points.
One US study I read looked at the maintenance.
With 100% renewable using wind and solar, the US would need teams of
workers changing 100,000 solar panels a day based on the Mean Time Between Faults.
So the US is 10 times bigger than Aus, so we would need to change only 10,000 a day !
The same engineering study pointed out that the multiplication factor
to provide 100% power is approaching 12 times. ie you have to provide
12 times the number of wid turbines and 12 times the number of solar
panels spread over 12 times the number of sites to supply with 100%
reliability the maximum demand on the grid. The 12 times figure is
disputed, but four times would be the lowest.

Then batteries, arrgghhh, assume three sequential calm overcast days.
Then you need extra wind and solar to generate 4 to 12 times the
generation capacity times 3+1 to recharge the batteries in one day
with four days supply, because the next day might be still and overcast.
err, but what if there were 4 days still & overcast ?
These are just thought studies but no one has pointed out where they
are wrong. I know it causes tension but I understand that as it is
like swearing in church, it is sacrilege.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 2:33:02 PM
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In my area, Greens are opposed to a new Silica Mine, a Mine that's trying to obtain the material to make Solar panels !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 4:12:12 PM
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Somebody needs to give these folks their allegorical forty pieces of silver and congratulate them on a fine job.

The sun is nuclear! Poly want a cracker. We all knew that and about the mountains of toxic waste we create via the manufacture of solar voltaic panels.

Panels that we need to replace every thirty or so years. And given the sun does not shine at night, replace the batteries every ten years. Landfill?

Adding batteries makes solar voltaic energy uneconomic for manufacture!

But then, the greens don't want a manufacturing sector, dams and heavy industry, let alone, clean, safe, cheap nuclear energy.

Just keep repeating their BS writ large as they attempt to shut us down? Well, they do need to earn their forty pieces of allegorical silver?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 2 September 2020 4:45:19 PM
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Alan B,
We should create a National Service branch for Greens & Leftists wherein they can spend time in the outback & prove that they can practise & survive on what they preach !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 5:22:36 PM
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Maybe we should simply name these outages "Greenouts after the Fwits that caused them.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 4 September 2020 9:23:55 AM
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