1. BIGGEST PROBLEM IS NUMBER OF VICTORIAN HOSPITAL STAFF CONTRACTING THE VIRUS

From ABC News, 5th August 2020 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/victorias-hospitals-close-to-capacity-emergency-doctor-warns/12526846

"...Dr Sarah Whitelaw said...The biggest problem...was the number of hospital staff contracting the virus.

"We thought at the beginning of the pandemic that our problem was going to be intensive care beds and the number of ventilators that we had ... we've all been blindsided by the fact that our problem is the workforce," Dr Whitelaw told 7.30.

"I think the number of healthcare worker infections is a real concern."

More than 1,000 healthcare workers in Victoria have tested positive for COVID-19 since the pandemic began.

"That is our biggest problem going forward in Victoria over the next couple of weeks and needs an urgent response," she said.

Dr Whitelaw, an emergency physician in Melbourne who sits on the board of the Australian Medical Association in Victoria, said the state's health system was under "huge strain"...."
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2. Should we BAN AGED CARE RESIDENTS FROM GOING TO HOSPITAL and just let them die in under-staffed, under-equipped, nursing homes?

Also see http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/victorias-hospitals-close-to-capacity-emergency-doctor-warns/12526846

LM wrote:"President Trump tried hexachloroquine and he didn't get the virus. So that proves it's effective."

A coupla threads back I provided links showing increasing evidence that HCQ plus zinc, given early enough is very effective against the virus. At the time I facetiously recommended that LM not read those studies since it would upset him. Seems he took me at my word.

But the evidence is that it is very effective and the only reason its not being used is that it would require people admitting that Trump was right.

I gather it is still banned in Victoria - showing how little they really care about the lives of the vulnerable.

I remember a time when quite a few people here got all misty-eyed telling us what a wonderful job uncle Dan was doing....you don't hear that so much these days. Can't imagine why.

Hi Mhaze,

Thanks for a good laugh ! 'Somebody' has banned hexachloroquine ? Somebody more powerful than Trump ? Hmmm, must be the Deep State. Or the Chinese. Anybody else.

Yeah, right.

160,000 deaths in the US by the weekend, all just to get Trumpf re-elected. What a mongrel.

Joe

'Yeah, right.

160,000 deaths in the US by the weekend, all just to get Trumpf re-elected. What a mongrel.'

yeah Joe your usual bile since contracting TDS. Oh well none so blind!

First LM the drug is hydroxychloroquine - good to see you're up on all this.

Second it is banned in Victoria, not by the deep state or whatever else you might want to name. But by that government. I get that you really really want to avoid seeing anything that might point to Trump being right about this, but just because you refuse to look at the evidence doesn't make the evidence go away.

LM, you've demonstrated over the past few months that you really struggle with the statistics around this. And again we see you comparing the raw Victorian numbers to the raw US numbers and drawing idiotic conclusions. But bear in mind that Victoria's population is about 1/70th that of the US. Anyone with a passing understanding os statistics would know you need to make the appropriate adjustments before drawing conclusions - idiotic or otherwise.

What you need to ask is whether the current problems in Australia are Morrison's fault. If the Victorian debacle is his fault, why isn't it being replicated in other states. If its not his fault then it must be a state issue. One or t'other.

I'm sorry David, but I've decided that I'm going to tear shreds off you.

You claim to be a Christian right.
You want to know the thing I hate about Christians.
Christians think they are the be all and end all of righteousness.
Let me tell you something.
You're not.

They say stuff like, if it wasn't for good christian morals the world would delve into absolute chaos in an instant, and that non-christians would all just start doing what is right in their eyes and mayhem and sin would reign. blah-blah-blah

You people are a bunch of idiots living in the stone age.

You don't have to be a Christian to be a good person.
In fact the harder I look I find that you Christians are not at all good people at all.

What we, the sinners whom you believe you're above, the non Christians, have - is something different.

'Live however you want so long as it doesn't harm others'.

I go a bit further in what I now call 'The Ethics Test':
I say 'Everybody has the right to live however they choose so long as it doesn't have a negative and detrimental impact on others'

It actually comes from J.S Mill's 'Harm Principle' which in effect balances one-persons liberty against the harm of another.

If you're going to go around whinging about restricted liberties and harm of others maybe you should familiarise yourself with it.

Christians really don't seem to comprehend this whole 'harm of others' concept.

Everything in your article seems to try to justify a less strict position that would increase the risk of harm to others.

"This virus is here to stay, and it always was."
With your attitude, yes it will be.