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Is Trump going the way of Herbert Hoover? : Comments
By Keith Suter, published 29/7/2020I would then joke that, despite his brilliant business career, Hoover presided over the slide into the Great Depression. Would Trump go the same way?
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Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 8:52:58 AM
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Trumps biggest crime is that is has uncovered how corrupt the US Government and corporations are at the highest levels. From the FBI, Hollywood, facebook, twitter, the pharmaceutical companies to the totally lying left liberal media. The tantrum throwers have never accepted someone who would challenge and even get rid of some of the corruption. At the end of the day he has uncovered the enemies of the people. Clinton, Obama, Comey, Gates and I think you can throw Fauci in that mob have been exposed for what they are. If the US is really stupid enough to vote for the democrats it simply shows how very dumbed down and easily deceived the most 'educated' people in history are.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 9:26:43 AM
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Recessions aren't the work of politicians, recessions are down to stupid folk demanding more than they contribute !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 9:43:24 AM
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The luvees of the left and political elite underestimated Trump in 2016, and it seems they continue to do so. The USA is predominantly sensible, conservative and silent. The antics of Hollywood has-beens, the media , BLM etc will continue to insult and cherry-pick the best 'gotcha' grabs they can to try and convince us and themselves that Trump is doomed and a failure. If you could get an honest answer from China, they would disagree. China would love to have Biden and the Democrats, particular after this economic pandamic that has exposed " the West's" total weakness and shallowness.
This article is a just a weak attempt to intellectualise the authors wishful thinking. It has no analysis, no real facts and serves merely to show that the left political elite are still scared by Trumps approach and still have no idea of how to regain the privileged power they held before he arrived in their 'space'. If by some chance, CNN et al manage to topple Trump (someone who is not easily admired as an individual), the world will suffer and China's 100 year-old strategy may be achieved much sooner than 2050. Posted by Alison Jane, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 10:16:10 AM
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ttbn,
The Hooverites controlling Congress were the main reason why Obama was such an ineffective president. Meanwhile China has no qualms about government deficits, and is not under the illusion that future generations will need to pay them back. ________________________________________________________________________________ individual, Recessions are usually very much the work of politicians. Australia's previous recession was primarily the result of Paul Keating setting interest rates too high. Recessions are caused by too little money in the economy. The amount of money is set by monetary policy (which mostly means varying interest rates to influence private sector spending decisions) and monetary policy (the size of the government's deficit or surplus). The Great Depression was initially caused by the Federal Reserve trying to reimplement the Real Bills Doctrine, but was worsened by President Hoover's attempts to balance the budget. ________________________________________________________________________________ Alison Jane, > The USA is predominantly sensible, conservative and silent. If that were true, Trump would not be President! Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 10:47:08 AM
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Aidan,
Politicians merely react to the consumer's ability to pay ! Posted by individual, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 11:46:49 AM
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individual,
>Politicians merely react to the consumer's ability to pay ! That claim is so absurd that I have to check: is that what you really believe (rather than just an instinctive defence of your position)? If so, how do you imagine they react? ________________________________________________________________________________ runner, I suppose being corrupt at the highest levels while in the media spotlight technically counts as uncovering corruption, but I doubt that's what you meant. When the media expose Trump's lies, why do you always side with the liar? Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 3:25:03 PM
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'When the media expose Trump's lies, why do you always side with the liar?'
yeah Aiden Trump has certainly been caught out lying but only a fraction of the lies he has exposed the leftist lying media and swamp telling. Three years of Russian delusion and still no apology. Reporting numerous fake race crimes, Ukraine delusion, fake rape claims against potential judges, 'peaceful' protests, racist claims for stopping flights from Wuhan when China virus started to spread. (need any more examples?) Yep Trump like you and me have told lies but nothing compared to the tantrum throwing swamp. I don't approve of any lies. Surely if you the academic you claim to be you would of seen it over and over again. Why do you always support the lies of the lying liberal media. I have caught you out a number of times. Remember you claimed the who had not tweeted that the China virus has no human to human transmission. You just disappeared when given evidence. I take it that it has been deleted from facebook and the twitter sewer now! Posted by runner, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 4:19:57 PM
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Who knows? You can fool some of the people all of the time! And these are the same folk who'll likely decide the election?
And who is going to queue to vote? The new Nazis, the redneck racists, the armed hooligans? Alan B. Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 29 July 2020 5:28:47 PM
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The author says..."Under US electoral law, there will need to be three televised debates between the candidates"
That's factually incorrect. The debates are convention but not law. I expect Biden's people to try to get out of them at some point. So factually incorrect. Keep that in mind when reading the article. Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 5:43:55 PM
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Suter is right about Trump becoming "part of the "Washington swamp" of corrupt politics"
_________________________________________ Checkout "Trump/Russia: Follow the money (1/3) Four Corners, June 17, 2018 at http://youtu.be/XwvjkJXaIJE Transcript http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/trumprussia:-follow-the-money/9840958 "NEWSREADER: Remember the 80s...especially the Donald? The man who was the darling of the 80s, is seen in the 90s as a man in trouble and he knows it. TIM O'BRIEN, BLOOMBERG: Trump found himself on the financial precipice. He had guaranteed personally almost 900 million dollars in loans. He owed some of the biggest banks in the US about three point six billion dollars and he couldn't pay back any of it. SARAH FERGUSON, REPORTER: Attorney Ken McCallion fought Trump for underpaying contractors on the iconic Trump Tower - but his first experience with him was in the 1970s. KEN MCCALLION, ATTORNEY: I knew the Trump organisation back when I was a prosecutor. His attorney was Roy Cohn. Roy Cohn went on to become basically a mob lawyer, a very good one, but still an organised crime lawyer in New York. He basically became a mentor for Donald Trump. ...KEN MCCALLION, ATTORNEY: When [TRUMP] he had about four bankruptcies, particularly the New Jersey casinos, a lot of the traditional sources of cash or investment moneys, mainly US banks didn't want anything to do with the Trump organization with Trump at that point. SARAH FERGUSON, REPORTER: Not for the first time in his chequered career Trump got lucky - a new source of revenue was flowing into the international real estate market from Russia. DIANA PILIPENKO, ANTI-CORRUPTION EXPERT: After the collapse of the Soviet Union, billions of dollars left Russia. We see this incredible capital flight happening at this time and money is going into, across the globe, but really, a lot of it goes into international capitals, into real estate. KEN MCCALLION, ATTORNEY: All the Trump projects were largely financed, predominately financed well over 50% with Russian and former Soviet Union financial and money cash sources. TIM O'BRIEN, BLOOMBERG: "DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR famously said most of the family's assets are coming from RUSSIA..." Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 6:55:04 PM
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That claim is so absurd that I have to check:
Aidan, Yes, you'd better ! Posted by individual, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 9:26:55 PM
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The left are so far off common sense they should really seek help from Beyond Blue !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 9:31:32 PM
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I doubt Trump will be re-elected, but we shall see given the 2016 result.
Four years of his policies means that most Americans know what to expect. I think the next US presidential election is basically a referendum on the style of leadership the US people want going forward. Posted by Chris Lewis, Thursday, 30 July 2020 6:43:42 AM
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It doesn't really matter anymore who wins the Presidency in the US !
There's nothing that can be done to improve the Nation with that Demographic ! Posted by individual, Thursday, 30 July 2020 6:42:35 PM
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runner,
>yeah Aiden Trump has certainly been caught out lying but only >a fraction of the lies he has exposed the leftist lying media and swamp telling. With the possible exception of Pissgate (which was so obviously a fake that I'm surprised anyone ever believed it) I can't recall a single time Trump exposed any of the lies of the media. Indeed I reckon he's incapable of doing so, because when they say something he doesn't like, he FALSELY ACCUSES them of lying. If they're part of the swamp, he's preventing it from being drained. >Three years of Russian delusion and still no apology. We know for sure that Russia was trying to influence the election in Trump's favour. We also know some of Trump's staff were too closely linked to Russia, and Trump tried to stop it being investigated properly. If anyone should apologise, it's Trump. >Reporting numerous fake race crimes, What's your information source for that? I only recall hearing of two. >Ukraine delusion, What, apart from your support for Trump, makes you think that was a delusion? >fake rape claims against potential judges, Firstly you say that in the plural, but I'm only aware of one such incident. Were there really others? If so, what was the outcome? Secondly, the media's reporting led to the claim being investigated. The judge had the presumption o innocence (as he was entitled to) and they found no evidence to overturn that. Do you seriously think the media remaining silent would've resulted in a better outcome? >'peaceful' protests, Most of them were peaceful. There were also a small number of traitors who set out to turn the protests violent. And importantly there were a third group: those who had intended to be peaceful, but, human nature being what it is, they turned violent when they perceived they were under attack by the police. It is quite worrying that American police lack training in deescalation. More worrying still, though not unexpected, is Trump trying to divide the public and not even considering the opposing views. (tbc) Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 8 August 2020 10:53:05 AM
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runner (continued),
> racist claims for stopping flights from Wuhan when China virus started to spread. I agree that was pretty silly, though I don't think there was any deception intended. Unfortunately Trump's track record is somewhat racist, and it's all too easy to assume the worst. You seem to have believed Trump's rhetoric about draining the swamp, and ignored the evidence that he's the deepest, most putrid part of it (and also throws the most tantrums). > I don't approve of any lies. I've noticed from your posts here that you approve of very many lies, though only when you believe them to be true. The problem is you tend to use how well something fits your worldview as the basis for determining whether or not it's true, instead of looking at the evidence. >Why do you always support the lies of the lying liberal media. I don't. However what you describe as the "lying liberal media" are normally pretty good at fact checking and communicating the truth. >I have caught you out a number of times. Remember you claimed the who had >not tweeted that the China virus has no human to human transmission. I stand by that claim. The exact words of the tweet were: "Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in Wuhan, China," What that means is that they didn't know whether or not there was human to human transmission. Obviously they should've known, and shouldn't've been so reliant on official sources. But the claim that they "tweeted it has no human to human transmission" is a lie. ___________________________________________________________________________ individual, Saying yes, I'd better check but failing to answer the question AFTER I checked (by asking you, which surely must be the most reliable way to tell what you're thinking?) suggests that my suspicions of an unthinking, instinctive response were correct. If that's not the case, please feel free to explain why! Either way, please tell us what aspect of the demographic you think prevents improvement of the USA, and why? Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 8 August 2020 11:00:45 AM
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If that happens, it's goodbye Free World, hello China. The alternative to Trump is a goose who can't complete a sentence, and takes his cue from the failure, Obama. The China virus will not suddenly disappear if Biden takes over (think loony-Left Victoria for a guide to that). The US economy won't improve under a socialist with an addled brain. China, having released what is surely a chemical weapon, will just sit back and watch the idiot West deliver itself to them.