Ttbn,

Yes, you may be right, we've all got to die some time, and few of us die happy. So what's a hundred thousand here or there ? Two hundred thousand ? Three ? Half a million in the US by next year ? Bunch of wusses, worried about death ! Ptuh !

But 108 deaths here in Australia ! The cost of saving the lives of a few old people ! At the same time as all those hospital beds left empty ! The waste !

So let it rip, let's get back to business, open up. Let the herd immunity hypothesis prevail ! Get it once and you're right, you'll never get it again, it's just a little flu anyway. Just watch, Bolsinaro will be right as rain in a week or so. It's all a hoax anyway. Nothing a bit of disinfectant or a strong light won't fix.

Anyway, it's all the fault of those foreigners like Fauci (what sort of Eyetalian name is Fauci ?) And if we didn't test, there wouldn't be any cases at all.

Joe

Sorry Graham, suggest you leave the medical advice to those who know something about medicine.

If it was just a capricious boomer remover? We could just let er rip!?

But this is not what conid-19 is. Seems on available evidence, there is little immunity in infection and recovery? With numerous examples of reinfection followed by reinfection.

My brother came down with double pneumonia and mum was warned, he couldn't get a second episode, given it could prove fatal. UNDERSTAND? Monday morning experts?

The lungs which this respiratory inflammation attacks have little natural immunity, and as the alveoli are attacked inflamed and all but drowning in mucus. Recovery to full function may not ever be possible?

And given there is no herd immunity without a vaccine and more than an 80% uptake? Your natural life with reinfection followed by reinfection, may terminate at around forty? And see you wheezing around the joint like a heavy smoker with eczema just before the final killer blow reinfection?

Don't blame the premiers or the medical advice! Blame the jubilant and celebrating right-wing press for claiming this was just a conspiracy to shut down the economy! And the stupid sheeple for believing it and failing to comply.

Blame only those who failed and fail to comply for the second wave and the shutdown reputation!

Or just do a Donald, cover the eyes and wait for it to go away naturally? If it ever will!?


Amazingly, when we did comply, even the seasonal flu was far less evident!
Alan B.

Correction, the auto-correct corrected repetition to reputation!

Aint Grammarly wonderful?
Alan B.

The lockdowns simply show how dumbed down we have become as a society. Basing such draconian measures on such flawed modelling and setting up generation of debt is straight out of the socialist handbook. No doubt Gates, Fauci, Soros and China are rejoicing at the self destruction of Western civilisation. Meanwhile the likes of those democrat mayors should be in gaol for sending covid back into nursing homes. Like all socialist they will continue to be paid and those with TDS will continue to have to change their narratives anytime truth or facts are revealled.

Bah, Humbug. 'Sweden' - 'stupidity'.

Graham forgets one thing - this virus has been shown Not To Be Able to Survive in the Environment (at least not for long - 24 hours on cardboard, 72 on plastic) - it needs a Living Host to survive and propagate.

Lockdown was spot on, but the people Failed.
Arrogant, self-centered people who thought it was a lark, that they were invincible.

BLM arrives, and people go nuts - forget the virus, What Virus? Madness - mindless, mob-rule hysteria of virtually no real significance to Aus. OK, Indigenous rights are important, but our police are not going around 'targeting' 'Any of the Others' without just cause, and so very many efforts have been and are being continuously made to improve Indigenous' and Others' lives. Perfect? No, but, it is a two-way street. Need help, then ask, but don't chuck it in other people's faces when it is given, or abrogate personal responsibility because the 'spoon feeding' doesn't go far enough for you. You, you, you.
Give over, get a life, get on with it, and stop the endless complaining.

Back to tors. If people practice the correct protocols the virus can be beaten. The experience in Taiwan has proven this, and its meteoric slap-down in its second 'flush' in China, in Beijing.
Overseas returns present a problem, yes, because these have been even more neglectful of personal responsibility than our people - and untruthful about their activities.

The safe re-opening of our borders to in-coming international travel may well not safely be possible until all those 'mugs' overseas 'get with the program'!

This virus, like Influenza, May be able to lie 'dormant' in some hosts (even some non-human perhaps), but that is not yet proven.
Either way, respecting the protocols and personal responsibility, and 'stomping' on any resurgence is the key to success.

Anyone considered this virus might even be China trying a prototype 'experiment' on the West?

As for accepting a modicum of 'collateral damage' - just so you can get on with Your Life? Fie on you for such a suggestion.

Graham,

I think the suicide numbers (up ~1000/pa over the next 5 years) are revealing of the massive impact the economic shutdown has caused. Add to that, the, as yet, unknown leap in domestic violence, family breakdown, lost careers, and myriad other affects and the devastation of the lockdowns is slowly becoming apparent.

The problem with governments changing course now is that they'd have to admit that the suppression/elimination strategy was wrong or overstated. Flatten the curve in the early days was a reasonable response to imperfect information. Those days have gone.

The trouble is that government rarely admits error. Generally erroneous policies are fixed by the next government or even the next generation of politicians. We haven't got that long to wait this time.

We now have a second wave and no certainty there won't be a third and fourth wave. And consequently we have a new lockdown. Are we to lockdown every time some nonagenarian succumbs to the virus?

The yearly flu was so accepted as part of life that we don't even bother tracking exactly how many die from it each seasons. Last year ~4000 died from the flu but we don't know how many with any exactitude. Its just part of life. WuFlu has to and will also become part of life along with all the other coronavirisus in our midst.

Governments are locked into this now and I see no way they can retreat. In NZ there's even talk of some folk being in isolation for months or even years although I suspect that'll change post the election.

But change must happen. A massively constrained economy can't continue to support the standards of living we have come to expect. We have already condemned the next generations to lower living standards than otherwise would be expected because of the profligacy over the past six months. That which can't go on, won't.

How we get from here to there is the issue.

PS: "women and children first". I think that policy was instituted so that the men could the address the issue without the annoying background noise.